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Post by beetlesbailey on May 15, 2009 12:26:25 GMT 10
This van different to any globe trotter I've seen. (I'm not saying it's not a Globe) 313 Royal and I stripped globe trotter number 2839 yesterday for parts. (we both have globeys) This is different to both of ours, and yours is nothing like these 3 vans. Let me try to remember all the differences between these vans. But first, could you sand back your draw bar 6-8'' rback from of front of side angles. I'm SURE you will find a 4 digit number on the outer edge of the angle at the top. Chris (313 Royal) has a 12 foot G.T.number 2542. Inside on the robe behind the sceen door is an ETSA (electricity trust South Australia) compliance sticker with the date ? feb. 1964. This is our best guess as to age but one day we all hope to have better knowledge. My van is # 2813 and a 14 footer with an ETSA sticker on the front near side window that has deteriorated so that I cant read the date.but I guess it's later than 64. Chris and my vans are very similar style, fittings etc. My cupboard door knobs and catches are the same style but his are black whilst mine are white. His front overhead storage has a 'kidney shaped opening without doors and mine has normal cupboards with doors. His has wooden frame flyscreens, nine are white ally. both have had ice boxes replaced with fridges that are different. The parts van is # 2839 with no ETSA sticker anywhere. The ally outside cladding is the same diamond pattern as ours but it stops about a foot above the front window and the roof is ply down the back wall too. Except for a peice of ally about 4" that covers the sharp angular point where the wall and roof meet. It starts at the rear window and stops 1" along the roof. We both comented on how odd this was when our lower numbered vans have full ally front to back, roof included. Was there an ally shortage in the factory or something? the roof of this parts van overhung the sides by 1" with a ply moulding cut to the roof profile and the foof ply and ally covering the top edge and annexe channel screwed through it all. The curved ends to this ply moulding were cut from solid timber. The interior had been changed so much it had little resmblance to ours except to say the side cupboards were as chris' 12'. Now to your van First thing that strikes me is the shape. Both ends (in particular the rear) curve out a LOT more than any I' ve seen. The roof has a steeper rise in it too. Appearing 'pointyer' at the top. Your rear window is the same width top and bottom where ours are wider at the top, both front and rear windows are like this. Your draw bar/A frame looks to be made of a smaller angle and the jockey wheel bracket is different and on the opposite side to others. your windows look like wood with glass rubbered in. I think you said they were painted ally,but the photo doesn't show clear enough for me to see that. Inside, yours has corner quad mouldings whereas others have none. your white inside door knobs and catches are the same as mine. I haven't the skills to post photos yet but did send a lot to 'Winterwood'. maybe he can post some showing these differences. Good luck with your resto and dont hesitate to contact me if you need to. regards Graham
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 15, 2009 9:03:33 GMT 10
the rear stays are identical to Furness. they are wound up with a long crank handle universal jointed wheel brace on Furness' that also winds the jockey wheel and the wheel nuts. Does this sound familiar to yours? The jockey wheel actually looks like a Furness unit too. Windows are like Roadmaster I think. What do you think Lazza? Is that Ally over Ply? and if so does it look like a later coverup? Nice old van with a lot of work. Keep up the momentum guys. Regards Beetles (BAILEY) ps how about giving my ladder back?
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 15, 2009 8:41:46 GMT 10
what part of Asia was this? My first thought was Peugeot 203 but I'm not sure that it's not a cut down yank car of the 40's
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 15, 2009 8:37:01 GMT 10
stripe is reminescent of Adventurer and looks like 3/8 ply wall construction (by the screw/ bolts at lower edge of rear quarter) Check sides in front of door for overpainted name which would be about 15" long. Could find signage on lower front edge forward of door that has makers address. Look above front and rear windows for overpainted 'Adventurer' You may not find 'Adventurer but some other brand. Good luck with this nice od van Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 11, 2009 21:24:25 GMT 10
In a word ...YES
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 7, 2009 18:37:21 GMT 10
Ok . Today I went to the hallowed ground of Globeys and I can confirm that the above photos and arrows indeed take you to THAT place altough you need to be careful as the sign on the gate reads "gates may be closed without warning. Now that gate has a mate at the other end of first street, so you could get locked in!! I drove in and turned around in a carpark with a sign reading surveillance cameras in constant use so now i'm a star of someones cctv. Probably Raptis as this carpark is between Raptis fish factory and Adanced Ropes and Nets who apparently now occupy the site of the foundry I mentioned earlier. You can walk thriugh this carpark turn left and the sign is on your left and fading. The railway line is between the G.T. sign and my old workplace of '88 and clearly visible to me if I was interested at the time. My van would look good behind the 57 Chev I owned at the time as a family car, or the 66 V.C. Safari I sold only months before buying the globey. cheers Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 7, 2009 17:55:11 GMT 10
Ok this may help.I spoke to 313 Royal today and he can only find the number on his tow coupling and I'm sure he said it was 603. If I'm right then this is the same as lacems?trishs, meaning it is probably the casting ? number for that part only. 313 said there was so much paint on his draw bar nothing was evident. When I sanded my draw bar back it was to bare steel before I could see the numbers stamped in both of the draw bar angles. Just 6" back from front of angle on nearside (kerb side) and 8" on off side. They were stamped on the outer edge so as to get less deflection in the angle ,less "bounce" resulting in a clearer mark. This from Bob who did it when the chassis was completed. Unfortunately he had no idea after so long what the numbers meant. On my offside I sanded a lot of the depth off and I was being careful with 7" sander/polisher .
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 5, 2009 14:20:20 GMT 10
regarding the numbers of road cruisers built and special 'to order' or not, I would think it unlikely they would go to the expense of having that great brass nameplate made for one offs. However maybe they were optomistic of their success.
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 5, 2009 14:14:06 GMT 10
Well this is an interesting thread. While showing the photo that old farts posted to dick who owns the 'highway palace', I said check out the door. It's the same as the palace and neither of us has seen a van door like it before. What this means is any ones guess but it is a coincidence. the palace was built by Grace Brothers of Birken head S.A. in 47.
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 5, 2009 12:30:45 GMT 10
This is one of the best looking van shapes i've seen. I love it and will have to buy one if I see one. (oh ..didn't I say earlier that I dont need any more vans?)
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 5, 2009 12:19:52 GMT 10
The buiding with the saw toothed roof in your pic was a metal foundry when I worked across the railway line in 88. I walked past it many times. so I must stop putting off investigating it and get down there soon.
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 5, 2009 12:07:22 GMT 10
Yet more on G.T.sDick Basset owned Globe Products. His son and 2 daughters worked for him as well as varios relatives that I will enevour to contact in due course. My source that I just rang said that Murray (Morrie?) Loveday worked for them too,perhaps in the fibreglass boat section. Loveday went on to build Quest vans and like centura quests van they made them with fibreglass panels that were moulded off aluminium so they looked like ally but were in fact f/g. Another thing to consider with dating MAY be wether or not Gold Coasters were numbered differently.
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Post by beetlesbailey on May 5, 2009 10:48:30 GMT 10
Mornin' all, Beetles here. I too have a globey and dont know it's age but the number is 2813 so my guess is that it's a few years later than winterwoods. I tried to ring royal 313 but he's out of mobile range on a car tour of S.A. Maybe later. Last night I got a call from a bloke who has a globey to give away so I'm off to look at it this weekend I hope. I will check the numbers. He told someone he was gonna burn it and she said NO ring Graham ,he collects them. I dont.... really I dont. well not really. .. O.K. so I have the globey and the teardrop, but i dont want more. really,.. well ..no I dont .Message to self "you dont need anymore" (that should do it. ) O.K. well maybe for Parts?
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 21, 2009 23:18:47 GMT 10
Hi Dave firstly our condolences to you and mrs old farts. Just realised this Furness has only one catch on the overhead cupboards like my 48. The 53 had two .Presumably to stop the doors from bowing out at each end as my 48 did. Sooo it is probably earlier than 53. regards Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 21, 2009 23:10:08 GMT 10
Hi Pat and Dave , We saw you at Murray bridge and love your van. Glad the trip was completed safely. Jenette and I fly to Perth tommorrow for Army reunion so if you look closely you may see me in the Anzac day march. I dont have contact details and time will be scarce so we wont have the pleasure of your company unfortunately. regards to you both, Graham and Nette
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 15, 2009 18:30:07 GMT 10
As a chippy I would get a clothes iron on a peice of cloth ( t shirt) and slowly heat the laminex fom the top which melts the glue and frees the laminex. Careful not too put too much heat on one place and dont pull too hard in one place either. I reckon if you can get it started put some solvent in the gap and try both methods. An old knife slipped between would help too. I got in deep brown when I used the wife's good iron and it spewed old glue onto her clothes next time she used it. I "inherited" the offending iron for laminex work and still have it 20 years later but she has gone. Good luck, Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 14, 2009 11:36:14 GMT 10
Whilst driving on some back country roads over Easter I spotted a property with at least 8 vans on it!!! All are of what I call comercial type or grader gang vans. That is high, solid, some with truck wheels,and all clad in plain smooth aluminium. When I lived in Alice Springs I repaired these types and many belonged to Govt. or private grader operators and road repair gangs. One of those I saw on Sunday is about 10' long and 2 about 14' long, all were of a recreation style van shape and some have port holes. Half a K. up the road was another of this type as well. I will return when time permits and ask some questions as 3 or 4 look like possibolities for vintage vanners. Maybe one of you would like a monster grader van to tow behind a vintage Mack or Foden!Regards Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 8, 2009 15:22:07 GMT 10
Sorry Don Ricardo, it was the verandah type van but weather it was Millard or not I dont know. Did others make a van with a verandah? The Millards to W.A. story is interesting as I had a '70 Millard 22' with windows like those on the train. I believed at the time ('73) that in '71 they had the louvre type windows. can anyone confirm this for our classic vanners? Cheers Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 7, 2009 12:50:10 GMT 10
Your doing a great job there but if my insulation guys are right you should fill ALL gaps between frame and insulation to lessen heat transfer. I love the surfboard theme and will email my surfer son to check it out.
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 7, 2009 12:33:33 GMT 10
Congratulations on such fast work Whippy. I wish I was as quick. I agree with Andrew on the shape of this little G.T. Now get back out there and finish it! (says he who should be doing the same thing on HIS G.T.)
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 7, 2009 12:13:59 GMT 10
Well,Well.So that's what that van is that I saw in the Dimboola caravan park on the way to ballarat swap in '08. It looked like a private long term resident's van way down the back but it may be a park/manager owned thing. Also on another topic I saw in melbourne inner suburb somewhere yesterday an early? olympic painted silver and perhaps with a different chassis as it seemed to sit very high. Perhaps it is used as an offroader or road gang van. Unfortunately I was a passenger in someone elses car who was in a huury so got no photo.
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 3, 2009 13:32:53 GMT 10
I havent seen it but many freinds tell me that this outfit is on display at 'The Cedars' which is a Hans Heysen museum at harndorf in the Adelaide hills. Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 3, 2009 13:02:00 GMT 10
Great looking van youv'e bought. It would originally had ply floor but maybe the modifyer changed that. The towball would almost certanly be 50 mm I guess you can buy a number of cookers to replace old on if it carks it. I have 2 old ones to offer the members after the locals in my club are aware of them. Beetles
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 2, 2009 21:19:22 GMT 10
Thanks to all for the opinions. I guess it's as I thought. That is if it's clad in wood of any type, brand or thickness it's a bondy. So I have 2 of 'em. Or do I? The G.T.(globe trotter not ford) is both a bondy AND a tinny as it has aluminium front,roof and rear, with 3/8" resiboard sides! The teardrop is ply with fibreglass over it to protect the wood from rot. Yeah Yeah theyr'e BOTH bondy's.
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Post by beetlesbailey on Apr 2, 2009 20:52:57 GMT 10
Weve had great success with coating all the exterior of the Highway palace and my green teardrop and another teardrop with surfboard fibreglass and using bote-coat marine glue. It otally seals and protects the ply on ours. I think you may have to remove the canvas but someone else may know better.
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