HAD708
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Post by HAD708 on Feb 11, 2008 18:00:03 GMT 10
Hi Guys
I have a question? I am in the middle of stripping by heat gun my 1959 Phoenix Bondwood caravan and i am stripping off in the process a cloth like tape that seems to seal the ply along the roof line and sides etc. What are my options? Do i replace the tape and if so how and where do you get it or do i fill it with a silicone type substance? All suggestions and guidance greatly appreciated.
Brett
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2008 18:35:51 GMT 10
Hi Brett I have just stripped my old "Mildred: bondy van back to raw timber. As you say, the tape seals the area where the wall meets the roof. The roof over hangs the wall by about 4 to 6mm. then the tape is applied . Then the Aluminium J mould fits over the lot . I have removed all of the tape and i am going to seal the underside of the roof to wall section/ join with a sealer /flexible compound that can be painted over( no silicone in it) . .. No tape. Then paint the entire van. Once all is dry i am going to fit the new 'J" mould using the same sealant with a good thick bead along the top of the roof. 'Dry Fit" and drill all the holes in the mould . Then remove it and dust all aluminium and wood shavings off before running the bead of sealant and doing the final fit up of the alloy mould. tighten the brass or stainless cheese head screws into the countersunk j mould and tighten down firmly. Wipe off any excess before it goes off. Modern sealants will flex and move with the old van in the same way the old tape did. I dont know what the old cotton tape was held on with ?? Looked like red lead paint or similar. It was stuck on very well and only failed where the join in the J mould was about half way along the roof line. Good luck with the resto on the bondy. And remember "Bondys Rool OK"   ;D |
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Post by trodler on Feb 11, 2008 20:05:11 GMT 10
Hi Brett
The tape along the joins is called aircraft tape.
It comes in 2 widths, about 25mm wide and the other is about 50mm wide and it usually has a zig zag edge cut to both sides. Iam not sure if it is still available but I have done some repairs to a van and used "100 mile an hour tape" ( a duck tape with cloth reinforcing )
and I cut the edges with a pair of plinking shears , stuck it on and painted over it, and you couldnt tell the difference.
Cheers.
Trodler.
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Post by minicamper on Feb 12, 2008 6:31:53 GMT 10
Hi Brett,
The sealant that Reddo refers to is commonly referred to as Butyl Mastic. Its a bit messy to work with and cleans up with turps but it never goes hard as such. It forms a fairly thick skin that remains pliable. If you look at any older Jayco's for instance, you'll see it at the joins where they put the aluminium bump strips and all along the roof edges. You can buy it at your trusty hardware store. The one i get I originally sourced from Jayco spares when repairing my old Jayco but found the same product at the hardware outlets. Comes in white, vanilla, black and grey in caulking tubes
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Post by earlee on Feb 12, 2008 8:33:10 GMT 10
hi Brett,
Butyl Mastic is good for sealing but it has little or no strength.
My suggestion is Sikaflex as it is the new age mastic.
It has the properties of butyl mastic plus more. - paintable, permanently flexible, has great bonding strength. (bus windows are held in with it)
There are a few types available, depend on the requirement. eg highly fexible.
regrds earlee. ;D
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Post by minicamper on Feb 12, 2008 10:08:18 GMT 10
Good one earlee, i didn't think of that!
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HAD708
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Post by HAD708 on Feb 13, 2008 8:52:15 GMT 10
Wow guys
Thanks for the replys, Earlee is the sikaflex sandable when you paint? Does it dry hard or do you strip sand and then bead it through? sorry for the dumby questions but if i keep getting these quality answers it is all worthwile!!
Cheers
Brett
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Post by Franklin1 on Feb 13, 2008 9:19:27 GMT 10
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raym
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Post by raym on Feb 13, 2008 22:14:53 GMT 10
Hi had708 Aro tape is avaliable from Aviaquip 41 Kembla st Chelteham Vic ph 03 95851211 only speak to Tim .It is called 1 inch pinked tape 2.7 oz 25 yard rolls cost inOct 05 $24.54 plus GST .I would suggest you use 1 1/2 inch as that should be the original size . To apply tape brush on a coat of dope on the joint of ply or hardboard allow to dry about 4 -5 seconds apply a second coat of dope apply tape into wet dope immeadately and apply a third coat of dope over the tape .Only work on about 16inches at a time as dope dries very fast. Dope is fast drying Red Oxide. raym
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Post by Franklin1 on Feb 15, 2008 23:10:32 GMT 10
Now here's a bit of useless information...if you put aviaquip pinked tape into the Google search field and search the web (not just Australian pages), the first result is raym's reply above! What an unusual way to find your way to this forum!!  Unfortunately, the Aviaquip website ( www.aviaquip.com.au/ ) doesn't show the tape in its list of products, so I wonder if it's still available? Elsewhere on Google, there is listed aircraft pinking tape, used in model aeroplane building. This store has a diagram of the roll of tape... www.rcwarehouse.com.au/productinfo/?prod_id=SIGSH226...is this what the pinked tape you are talking about looks like? I think I'll be needing some for when the Franklin is eventually restored. The sheet joints on the Franklin are covered with 1" wide cotton gauze tape impregnated with some kind of waxy sticky compound (which can be dissolved with turps). Maybe it's possible to replicate whatever I've got?? cheers, Al. |
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Post by shesgotthelook on May 8, 2017 12:26:47 GMT 10
I appreciate that this is a very old thread but with my searches, it is still a very commonly asked question. I am in the process of trying to establish what to use to replace the pinking tape I have pulled off my early bondwood Viscount. It is along all the timber joins, the edge of the canvas & above the windows. I am going to use Leak seal tape on the roof. I used this on my 1947 homebuilt, it works very well & is easily painted but it is fairly thick so not suitable for the sides. Has anyone used Polyester reinforcing tape? Would this do the job.? I will fill the joins with sikaflek then apply the tape along the length of the join. www.ebay.com.au/itm/321705562423?_trksid=p2060353.m2750.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT |
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Post by Roehm3108 on May 8, 2017 17:24:03 GMT 10
Hi SGTL
I've not used this particular tape myself, so can't give any feedback on it. It seem to be quite wide at 100mm!
I used the 50mm fibreglassing tape and feathered the resin several times, when working on the Rowvan, and PhilandLouise can give you feedback on how that's holding up after about 4 years. I haven't received any darts from them!! That Crommell stuff is for residential wert areas and is excellent for that, as I used it in my shower recess last year. But a perfect finish is not the issue there, as it is covered with tiles.
Franklin1 might chip in some valuable advice, as he has had a lot of experience in this area.
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Post by Franklin1 on May 8, 2017 21:20:19 GMT 10
G'day sgtl, I think Geoff (of Geoff 'n Jude fame) is the "resident expert" on sourcing and using the aircraft tape. I'm the novice who used fibreglass tape on the joins and edges of my van. Nobody emphasised to me that the tape has a thick edge on one side where the fibres are looped back across, during the weaving process. I ended up with that thick edge of the tape sitting proud of the resin coating, no matter how many coats of resin I applied to try and cover it. It took me hours and hours to sand that rough raised edge back down to be level with the surrounding surfaces. AND I coated everything in the shed with resin dust during the process!   Never again... cheers, Al. |
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Post by Roehm3108 on May 8, 2017 21:54:33 GMT 10
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Post by shesgotthelook on May 9, 2017 9:15:24 GMT 10
This is why I ask! Surely there must be a product that is easily applied & easily painted? I don't want to have to stick material on & try & google what dope is, well you know what the search engines are going to give me for that! Some of the tapes that would work well have a very shiny surface which I think I would go insane trying to get paint to stick to.. Something like medical/strapping tape maybe??? Anyway, I'll wait for the polyester tape to turn up & let you know if it's any good.  |
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Post by Geoff & Jude on May 9, 2017 9:22:30 GMT 10
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Post by cobber on May 9, 2017 10:11:38 GMT 10
G'day Geoff, Thanks for drawing our attention to the dead links in the parts suppliers list[/url] i've fixed that up temporally now  sgtl, if you decide to go down the Ceconite route, and succeeded in obtaining it, can you let us known which link Geoff gave us has the stuff Cobber. |
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Post by Roybeth on May 11, 2017 19:30:24 GMT 10
Hi all, confess I haven't looked at what links we already have but I asked my brother in law - who has had small aircraft for many years - about ceconite tape - answer:
You can get it from aircraft spruce in USA, nowadays there is not a lot of demand for fabric covered aircraft, they are all going to aircraft grade aluminium because the allowed weight and engine horse power is a lot more,try wingtech.com.au see what they have.
:-)
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Post by jdazzle on Dec 29, 2022 19:21:44 GMT 10
Hi Guys I have a question? I am in the middle of stripping by heat gun my 1959 Phoenix Bondwood caravan and i am stripping off in the process a cloth like tape that seems to seal the ply along the roof line and sides etc. What are my options? Do i replace the tape and if so how and where do you get it or do i fill it with a silicone type substance? All suggestions and guidance greatly appreciated. Brett Hi all, I appreciate this is an old thread, however I am in the process of putting back the aluminium moulding on my 50s homemade bondwood as I clutzed over a gutter and bent it. I have a roll of this cloth like tape referred to above (further down termed "aircraft tape"), courtesy of first owner/builder in 50s, shoved in the parts locker. Shall I use this over the magic modern sikaflex? I also have a piece of aluminium trim that has become loose bordering a decorative white "flash", what could I use to stick this back down? It became loose when the bottom aluminium moulding became loose.. With thanks. .  Attachments:
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Post by jdazzle on Dec 30, 2022 11:41:13 GMT 10
Hi had708 Aro tape is avaliable from Aviaquip 41 Kembla st Chelteham Vic ph 03 95851211 only speak to Tim .It is called 1 inch pinked tape 2.7 oz 25 yard rolls cost inOct 05 $24.54 plus GST .I would suggest you use 1 1/2 inch as that should be the original size . To apply tape brush on a coat of dope on the joint of ply or hardboard allow to dry about 4 -5 seconds apply a second coat of dope apply tape into wet dope immeadately and apply a third coat of dope over the tape .Only work on about 16inches at a time as dope dries very fast. Dope is fast drying Red Oxide. raym Hi there, I think I have there tape you describe, though mine is very resiny, it is hard to imagine it needs additional sticking power, but where might I obtain "dope"? With thanks |
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