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Post by stevej on May 14, 2015 18:30:21 GMT 10
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Post by JBJ on May 14, 2015 18:48:42 GMT 10
Hi,
Go for it.
What you have posted is totally against what this Forum was originally about, & thats enjoying Vintage Caravans in their own right.
But we have no one interested in control anymore, so I guess you can do or say what you want. I hear its a free world, but I haven't found that to be true all the time
I think your post is totally inappropriate, but really what does that matter.
JBJ
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Post by penguin on May 14, 2015 20:36:39 GMT 10
Lovely looking van, you've done a good job with it - much better than rotting in a paddock and it's doing what many caraparks were built for. All the best with the sale.
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Post by Kara van Olden on May 15, 2015 10:23:57 GMT 10
Don't be listens to der old stickenzes in der mudd! Der Carapark ist lookens das Mikkel Schimdt!
Can I haf der triple swineburger mit der sauerkraut und der apple sauce, und der ize colden lager please?
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Post by What's In A Name on May 15, 2015 10:52:34 GMT 10
Is that you Reddo?
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Post by Cara Park on May 15, 2015 11:32:19 GMT 10
Can't be - Reddo told MarkT to shove his forum.
He wouldn't go back on his word now would he.
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Post by stevej on May 15, 2015 12:49:51 GMT 10
Hi, What you have posted is totally against what this Forum was originally about, & thats enjoying Vintage Caravans in their own right. I think your post is totally inappropriate, but really what does that matter. JBJ JBJ, the world is in a constant state of change, nothing ever stays the same, otherwise the world would still be flat, foot binding popular and we would still burn witches and those that dare to repurpose a wrecked old Carapark toaster to give it some value and extend it’s years. My van makes a better food van than it does scrap metal (and its value now goes well beyond scrap value.....in case you missed the price) This humble toaster that no one would buy,that was headed for the tip, is now on display at a festival, event and market every weekend. It is seen, enjoyed and admired by thousands of people per month, it engages more people about vintage vans and their conservation, restoration and repurposing than any pristine vintage van sitting in a shed or museum will ever do. If that is totally inappropriate then perhaps it's time for a change around here? I wouldn't mind if we still burnt the odd witch though :-) Steve |
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Post by JBJ on May 15, 2015 13:54:18 GMT 10
Hi,
I didn't set the Forum guidelines, Mark Taylor did.
Its clearly spelt outout regarding commercial use of vintage caravans not being acceptible.
If you dont like the guidelines, dont be part of the Forum.
As far as the smart comments from the "person" that can't be open enough to register & be upfront, well you are entitled to your opinion. But I dont have to like them or agree. I think your stupid attempt at humour is pretty poor, but thats my opinion.
As with all things, the dispute over past members has more aspects than most people realise. By Mark not commenting on his "dispute" with past members, the truth never becomes available in its entirety on this Forum. If you base an opinion on what you hear second hand, you can never have a real idea of its truth.
As for your van, you appear to have done a great job of rebuilding it & saving it. I never questioned that.
But I cant be a member of a Ford club if I want to drive my Dodge as a members car.
Why should you expect the Forum guidelines not to apply to you??
JBJ
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Post by Administrator on May 15, 2015 17:12:15 GMT 10
In May 2014 we relaxed our policy on vintage caravans being used for commercial purposes, and even created a thread on them: vintagecaravans.proboards.com/thread/13542/commercial-touring-caravans-built-modifiedWhilst we still don't support the butchering of a vintage caravan for commercial use, we acknowledge that they exist and are becoming evermore popular. And as rightfully pointed out, it is preferable to have a paddock wreck back on the road and being admired even in its new form of a coffee van, than not to be back on the road at all! vintagecaravans.com would rather see a restored toaster being towed behind a Zephyr on the road attending one of our V V events, rather than being a Barista's office, but so be it, people are free to do what they choose with their vintage caravan, and we get that! It is no longer taboo to discuss vinatge caravans for commercial use on this forum  Mark |
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Post by rodnet on May 15, 2015 18:21:21 GMT 10
As with all things, the dispute over past members has more aspects than most people realise. By Mark not commenting on his "dispute" with past members, the truth never becomes available in its entirety on this Forum. If you base an opinion on what you hear second hand, you can never have a real idea of its truth. JBJ How true is that Dennis? |
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Post by JBJ on May 15, 2015 19:55:36 GMT 10
Hi
So now Mark has cast his wisdom on the topic, I guess I was out of line for commenting as I did.
The guidelines weren't changed when this policy change was made, so maybe you should update them when you change them Mark.
I apologise for being wrong, & hope those I offended accept that I did it with what I felt was the interest of this Forum at heart.
Not much point saying any more really.
Another one bites the dust
JBJ
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Post by stevej on May 16, 2015 17:17:38 GMT 10
Thanks for the clarification Mark, such a change in policy (if not attitude) was well overdue and affords the opportunity to engage and educate people considering the repurposing vans that actually have some significance and are really worth saving. The technique of flaming every person that mentioned repurposing a VV was doing nothing for the preservation of vans, quite the opposite, it lead to some good vans being destroyed as the education opportunity was wasted by aggressive moral high grounders. The mistake made by many VV hoarders is to assume that just because it's old, it is significant, has heritage value and is worth spending time, money and other resources to conserve or restore. This is an erroneous and out-dated view, old school museum mentality that actually undermines the value of truly significant materials. There are sheds full of "significant" vans that will 'one day be restored' but they inevitably rot away owing to lack of resources or loss of interest. The commercial use of my Carapark has funded the purchase and restoration of 5 other toaster vans, some for commercial use but some as touring vans. I know of at least a dozen other toasters that are rotting away in paddocks, sheds and chook pens, these have no value as they are, they are in no way significant, nor do they represent the history of caravan use in this country, they are scrap and will remain that way because there are not enough people interested or capable of ever restoring an old school uncomfortable leaky hot van that is not practical on any level! Not all vans are created equal, there is an overabundance of rotting Carapark toasters, why not use them rather than loose them?? Surely any salvation is better than none? There are more vintage vans than there will ever be people interested in doing them up, that's why they go to the tip, there is no demand for them. I object to your use of the reference "butchering of a vintage caravan for commercial use", very passive aggressive and subjective, a view that is overwhelmingly in the minority amongst the many thousands of people that greatly admire the repurposing of this van.
Steve
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Post by Kara van Olden on May 16, 2015 19:38:00 GMT 10
I know of at least a dozen other toasters that are rotting away in paddocks, sheds and chook pens, these have no value as they are, they are in no way significant, ....they are scrap... Steve Ja, ja, last yearz I putten der cheapenbroekenz wintage wan und der Gumztree und der chookenfarmer rocken up mit der fattens wallet und oft der cash to buyenz und I tellz him nichts, nichts! Youst not putten das schtinken chooken und my wintage wan! He say my chooken not schtinkenz, you come und looken. So I drive lotsen klms to his chooken farmz und looken und has gotten der 7 olden wans mit der rotten und schtinken und full oft der chookenschizen outs und der paddik. I kry my tearz und tell him das disguzten what you doing und tellz him ist nichts dealz!
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Post by DC3Td on May 17, 2015 6:59:48 GMT 10
Getting a little tired of this 'guests' crap.It is neither remotely funny or warranted.
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Post by Roehm3108 on May 17, 2015 7:27:45 GMT 10
OP, Allow other people to have an opinion that differs to yours without jumping down their throats. "Repurposing" is only a euphemism for "butchering" anyway!
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Post by firefighter on May 17, 2015 9:21:56 GMT 10
G'day JBJ Don't feel to bad about the attack on you .....2 threads still on the forum ...may be you thought the threads are still correct
MODIFICATION OF VINTAGE CARAVANS FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES
vintagecaravans.com does not support the modification of vintage caravans for commercial purposes, or for purposes other than what were originally intended by the manufacturer. Members who indicate an intention to modify a caravan in that way will receive an email, personal message or posting on the forum from the moderators explaining the forum policy on altering vans for commercial use. If you have a pre-1970 van that was built as a commercial van they are accepted on this forum.
Read more: vintagecaravans.proboards.com/thread/7111/forum-guidelines#ixzz3aLW6GbSo
ALTERING VANS FOR COMMEERICAL PURPOSES
We often have new members joining and wanting to buy a vintage caravan to alter/modify so they can run a commerical business from them at markets etc ........When they purchase a van we never hear from them again
Note: vintagecaravans.com does not support the modification of vintage caravans for commercial purposes, or purposes other than what were originally intended by the manufacturer
These members will receive an e mail ... personal message or posting on the forum from the moderators explaining the forum policy on altering vans for commercial use
If you have a van pre 1970 that was built as a commerical van
they are accepted to this forum
Admin/Mod Team
Read more: vintagecaravans.proboards.com/thread/6477/altering-vans-commerical-use#ixzz3aLZDLdbx
I also see Cobber likes both threads
Cheers f/f
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Post by atouchofglass on May 17, 2015 9:53:51 GMT 10
The commercial use of my Carapark has funded the purchase and restoration of 5 other toaster vans, some for commercial use but some as touring vans. there is an overabundance of rotting Carapark toasters, why not use them rather than loose them?? Surely any salvation is better than none? There are more vintage vans than there will ever be people interested in doing them up, that's why they go to the tip, there is no demand for them. Steve I wish you the very best with the sale Stevej. Your van has been converted to meet strict Health and Safety Standards and is a perfect example of a well converted and saved vintage van. Steve I hope that in the future you won't be put off doing up another vintage van. Either as a commercial venture or as a touring van. Your skill and dedication is to be applauded. All the piffle about "this and that" is only people with strong opinions showing they love their vans and this hobby. Ruffle feathers it did. Change does not come easy for some. Cheers Atog |
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Post by stevej on May 17, 2015 10:24:07 GMT 10
Atog Thanks for your considered response and kind words. I accept that there are those that view my approach as wrong, they don't know me, my history, my values etc, they only judge me on what they see, there lies the problem, the judging bit. Suffice to say I have done enough conservation and restoration in my time to cover my perceived sins and I am far from done yet :-). We all love vintage vans, but we all have different values, approaches and seek different outcomes. The trick is to try and accept others views without tearing them down, the world has too many stayed fundamentalists already, a little tolerance goes a long way. You might enjoy this, (Warning: feather ruffling may occur) mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2014/07/bth_20140710_1128.mp3Steve |
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Post by atouchofglass on May 17, 2015 11:03:26 GMT 10
Hahahahaahah You've convinced me Steve.  I'm off to buy a Carapark and turn it into . . . . ? ? ? Just poking the fire.   As said before this is a perfect example of a well restored/converted vintage van. Your previous life as a conservator is just icing on the cake for me. And while I'm well off topic. In the podcast you posted - you said that they leaked like a sieve and all the rivets needed replacing. What sealant did you put between the aluminium skin and the steel structure? While it may not be of interest regarding turning a van into a commercial venture. It is very appropriate to ask the way you sealed up the Caraparks. It it useful for those that are restoring them. As you have experience with more than one, your advice is worth having. Cheers and again - "all the best with the sale". Atog |
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Post by stevej on May 17, 2015 15:36:35 GMT 10
Atog, The standard rivets on the toasters will drill out well with a 3/16 th bit and are replaced with new 3/16th blind sealed rivets in Aluminium, they seal up nicely, you need about 1000 (2 boxes) to do a van. I use Sikaflex-Pro in grey, it is a multi purpose flexible urethane so works well as an adhesive as well as a sealant. It has really good grab on the aluminium / steel and I find the grey colour works best at blending in the few spots it's visible. It is also widely available for about $13 a tube. I use the rivets to compress the adhered joins and get a good seal. I do one panel at a time to ensure everything fits back together and uses the same holes; this takes some time but gives a durable and complete seal. I like to apply the sealant along the rivet line also so it seals around the rivets (usually a little oozes out around the rivet, I either clean it off with solvent or buff it of when polishing the cladding sheets. There is actually a good active carapark group on Facebook, I spend a bit of time on there giving advice on restoration of the toasters, some great projects going on. www.facebook.com/groups/406306466137939/Steve |
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Post by Don Ricardo on May 17, 2015 22:11:37 GMT 10
Hi folks, The issue regarding Stevej's Hardcore Carnivore Carapark van and other similar vans was settled some time ago, and a thread was established for vintage vans which had been converted for commercial or non-touring use after 1970 here. As you'll see from that thread, Stevej has a significant background in museum restoration/conservation and worked on the National Museum's Propert and ABC caravans. He also has a number of Carapark toaster vans which he has restored, some of them for normal touring use. He is a great resource person for those restoring Carapark toasters, as well as other vans. Don Ricardo |
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Post by King Fisher on May 25, 2015 16:06:06 GMT 10
From what I have seen of most toasters posted on here nearly all of them never have an original interior, much like the fiberglass sunnies. Most people rip out the interiors and rebuild them anyway. A lot had rotted away beyond repair too. So how is that so much different to creating a food van??? Personally I would rather see it as a loverly food van than being used as a prop in the smash 'em up derby.
I like what you have done with this van, as someone else said, it's better than rotting away in a paddock. These toasters tend to always lend themselves to a commercial use, just as a lot of them used to be used originally for roadside lunchrooms and offices etc.
Preservation takes on many forms and we don't really know what he started with in the first place. How bad it was? etc..., I would assume it started as just a shell like a lot of the un-restored toasters are these days. We are just jumping to conclusions here and bullying him about what we see now and what it is now.
Trust me I would be the first to shed a tear if a good van was cannibalized to create a commercial van. However I celebrate the conservation of a wreck being brought to life and re-purposed into something someone wants to see and still use, even if it is for commercial purposes. These restored coffee vans also help us all by getting people thinking and talking about vintage vans. I wonder how many people have seen one of these vans and then gone and restored a vintage van themselves??? or thought about it???
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Post by stevej on Aug 20, 2015 1:20:41 GMT 10
Well, not the final but the latest chapter in this little vans story. She has sold and is off to a new home in Victoria, we had hundreds of enquiries about this van and business, all very positive. The price we achieved for this van gives an indication that Carpark Toasters have a new and rapidly growing following and they are really coming of age as a vintage van. Rightly or wrongly the Hard Core Carnivore van has raised their profile and changed the way people value these humble little vans and I am proud of that....and my money box rattles a little louder too :-)
Cheers
Steve
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 20, 2015 21:36:33 GMT 10
Good news Stevej. Congratulations.
Maybe with the Carnivore van gone, you'd like to show us one of your other projects? I'm sure lots of people - including me - would be interested to see what's involved in restoring a toaster.
Don Ricardo
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