Dropped van axle, Fj rims

[chev51]

Hi, we have just wrecked out an old bondwood for parts we needed and have an axle left over. Its a dropped square axle, been forged not welded. 100mm drop, 1775mm flange to flange. FX FJ trailer hubs, not car hubs. Pair of Fx Fj rims with tires still pumped up but perished and bald. Great pair of springs still attached. Hubcaps are stuffed. Spare rim as well
$130

[Franklin1]

Oooh...my ears are pricking up...for the bearings.

I don't suppose you know what bearing numbers are in the hubs? Just curious to know whether they might be the ones I'm looking for. If nobody puts their hand up for the axle, and it ends up lying around taking up space, would you please send me a PM so I can talk with you further about the bearings?

I'm looking for:

Inner cup: Timken special bearing # 14274S (this is the crucial one. Hard to get.) It has an OD of 75mm, so the inner hub bore will be BIG!
Inner cone: Timken #14120

Outer cup: Timken # 09194
Outer cone: Timken # 09074

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1775mm seems a wide axle. Was it off a wide van? My axle is 1540mm flange-to-flange for a 6ft 6ins wide van.

cheers,
Al.

[Cruz]

Hi Franklin 1,
Have you tried Capital Bearings In Queanbeyan?
They where able to locate bearings for my Propert that where most odd.
Regards
Cruz

[Geoff & Jude]

hi al

i did a bit of looking around and all your bearings are available here on a site in the us.

just scroll down the page to see your bearing and add to the cart.

each set is around $60 (+ shipping) but that's the way bearing prices are.

good luck

geoff 'n jude

they're also available (except for 14120) at rockauto in the us. ($22.64 + $23.56 shipping)

just type the number only - no letters in the search box.

i've bought some stuff for the continental from them and they're not a bad mob to deal with.

pps

the 14274 bearing has an OD of 2.717" and the 14274S bearing has an OD of 2.965" so keep this in mind.

here's a timken bearing catalogue you can check all the sizes from - just type the bearing code in the search box and bob's your uncle.

[Franklin1]

Thanks cruz and Geoff & Jude for your feedback. The bearing dilemma has been a long and complicated story over the last two to three weeks. You wouldn't believe the amount of time I've spent scouring the internet, sending emails, driving to bearing shops, etc. I've located new bearings supplies, and in fact two sets of outer bearings are winging their way from the US as we speak (from the same Timkenparts website link you've posted Geoff, but in fact from their ebay store that I discovered they had). The big problem was the Timken special bearing inner cup. It is no longer made, and is not interchangeable with the basic bearing having the same number. There are no equivalents in other brands. I've found the special bearing available in Australia, but the price is up there in the stratosphere. I can't find anybody selling it on the internet, let alone selling it more cheaply than the local price.

The reason my ears pricked up with chev51's post, is that I'm now thinking it would be worthwhile scrounging for some of these bearings for "emergency spares".

When the bearings from the US arrive (hopefully this week), I'll write up the story about bearings in my Newcastle thread.

Btw, is my fuzzy memory correct in remembering that chev51 was formerly kb3 and is related to the kaybees?

Thanks again for your help, guys.

cheers,
Al.

[Geoff & Jude]

Feb 21, 2011 9:26:27 GMT 10 Franklin1 said:

I've found the special bearing available in Australia, but the price is up there in the stratosphere.

hi al

got in touch with bsc motion technology (was bearing service company) at moorebank (rick) and they said that timken have 15 of the 14274S cones in stock at the very reasonable cost of $378.40 each (i think he said each - scary).

apparently they are what is called an "indent item", that is they are out of manufacture (and reasonably sought after).

the 14274 is 0.248" smaller in dia and not quite as wide as the 14274S but has the same load rating and are only $24.00 each.

it may be worthwhile having a sleeve made to accommodate the 14274 in the larger housing and save yourself $354.40 per side.

the 14120 inners are $62.00 each.

just a thought.

geoff 'n jude

[Franklin1]

G'day Geoff,

Knowing you had a little heart scare last year, I should have pre-warned you not to go getting quotes for the special bearing.

However, you too have discovered that the price of the special bearing is very much in the "how much you prepared to pay?" category. Walked in off the street (read: "sucker customer") and I was quoted $232.10 for the cup. Add the cone in, and the price for the set was $303.00

Luckily my private health insurance covers heart attacks in bearing stores, but fortunately I only needed my brown paper bag to breathe into to help me recover.

cheers,
Al.

[Geoff & Jude]

hi again al

just looked up www.blackwoods.com.au and they have the 14274S cup for $128.08 (their part number 01833916).

it's getting cheaper but still hwy robbery.

geoff 'n jude

ps

i'd already taken the necessary tablets plus the defribulator stopped me from falling over.

[Franklin1]

G'day Geoff,

You're down around the price we ended up paying. My mechanic brother asked our local bearing supplier what the best trade price they could do for both the cup and cone was. "Yes, no problem, that'll be $180." Not a bad drop from a street price of $303.

We decided we could get away with buying a new set for just one side, and so we've gone ahead and done that. They should already have arrived at my brother's business by now. In an ideal world I would have liked to have changed both sides, but the $360 cost was scaring the heck out of my wallet.

In a separate development during these discussion we've been having here today, another member has contacted me via a PM with a potentially better price for the cup. Fingers crossed I might be able to get a second set at a much more reasonable cost.

Thanks enormously for all the work you've put into the subject, Geoff. It would be a huge coincidence that I have the only Newcastle van that requires these particular bearings, so I can only presume there will be other people out there likely to face the same issue.

Moderators - Would it be possible to transer all this bearing information over to a separate thread in the Techo section? Would seem a waste to have it buried in poor ol' chev51's thread. All the poor bugger wanted to do was get rid of an axle, and whatta we done? Swamped him with "too much information"!

cheers,
Al.

[JBJ]

Hi Geoff & Al,

In a previous life in the late 70's, I was involved in Management in maintenance & stores in a now defunct mine near canberra.
We bought all our bearings thru Blackwoods Canberra. From memory all our purchase were 5% of list price because of the volume we bought & they delivered free from memory.
Thats right, 95% discount.
Who says theres no profit in retail sales??

Cant expect to get that without big volume sales

JBJ