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Post by sportsman 1 on Mar 18, 2009 12:24:38 GMT 10
Hi all,
I am in the process of fitting a Shields Jetflame stove to the Clipper and am unsure what type of bottle/hose I should be using.
None of the hoses I can find have the same connector as the stove, which means I will have to make up something.
Do I go for a backyard POL type bottle and hose with regulator or a camping stove type bottle and hose?
A backyard barby has approx the same size pipe and taps as the Shields, but this type runs a regulator which I assume is to run the stove on low pressure. Will this work ok?
A camping stove runs straight from the bottle (at high pressure?) but has tiny little feed pipes to the taps. I dont think this will work on the bigger pipe on the Shields.
I want to mount a 4 - 4.5 kg bottle in the cupboard under the cooker, not outside.
Are there any experts out there that can point me in the right direction, does the Shields jetflame run on low or high pressure.
Cheers, Leigh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 18:29:27 GMT 10
Hi Leigh. If your cooker has a large pipe connection then more than likely it will need to run on low pressure through a regulator. You can buy small regulators to suit the smaller size gas bottle threads. If you try to run it on straight presure and light the burners you will blow the knob shaft seals and have fancy rings of fire around the knobs....  I get all my brass connections, adaptors etc from a Gas / welding supply outlet near my place. Take the bottle and stove to your local bloke and get him to make up a flexible hose to suit the fittings on the stove and on the bottle. "Word of warning " If you are going to run a bottle in a cupboard or any other space within the van you will need to fit a door with vents in the outside of the van...and ensure the cabinet is totally isolated / sealed so no gases can get to the inside of the van. If you dont and there is even the slightest leak from the bottle connections you stand the chance of blowing yourself off the face of the earth when you strike a match or an ignition source of any type is present in the van. There has been more than one plumbers van blown to bits by leaking gas overnight and the courtesy light sparking when the door is opened the next morning. I got a 2.5 metre flexible hose made up and ran it from my 3 burner cooker in the van down through the cupboards to floor level. I drilled a hole in the floor big enough to let the hose to bottle brass adaptor on the bottom end of the hose drop through the floor. When i set up i just plonk the bottle on the ground outside the van and hook the hose to it. No need for drawbar mounted bottles or special cabinets in the van with vents to the outside. Also no need for gas fitters cert as it is no different to setting up a portable bbq in your van with the bottle outside in free air..... just dont drive off with the bottle still hooked to the hose  One flash and your ash.  HTH Reddo |
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Post by humpty2 on Mar 18, 2009 18:43:12 GMT 10
All Shields that I have seen.....usual fitting in a Sunliner....are connected with a solid pipe to a regulated gas bottle.
I think you can connect from the side or the back of the stove.
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Post by sportsman 1 on Mar 19, 2009 7:32:46 GMT 10
Reddo,
points well made.
Where do you transport the bottle? I have a slight problem putting a gas bottle in the car or boot while I am travelling.
At present while travelling I carry a gas bottle secured in the teardrop in the sleeping area, which is well ventilated.
The Clipper has a mounting point for a gas bottle in one of the cupboards already. I want to mount the bottle in the cupboard next to the door and intended to fit one of the stainless vents I bought off you to vent that area to the outside.
As well I intend to ensure that the bottle is turned off and gas lines emptied before towing.
What does anybody think about this.
your thoughts would be appreciated,
cheers, Leigh.
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Post by minicamper on Mar 19, 2009 11:21:02 GMT 10
Hey Leigh,
If a cupboard is the answer, that'd be my vote. Just remember not to sit on the van "verandah" and smoke... I assume the cupboard in question is the one you said was next to the door!
As far as turning off the valve and emptying lines goes, good idea, but no guarantee. I've seen many a new bottle leak from the valve etc.
I also wouldn't stress about how you transport the bottle as long as its secured down. There are thousands of cars on the road with enormous gas bottles inside. Yes they're vented, but how does everyone transport their barbie bottle when they've filled it up?
Cheers
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 11:29:33 GMT 10
Hi Leigh Post No: 2000 ;D dont ever let anyone say all of my posts are dribble. Here is one that might have a skeric of usefull info in it.  You dont state if the cupboard door faces outwards or inwards on your van. It MUST face outwards and the cupboard needs to be air tight so the fumes cant permiate into the van. If the door faces inwards then it is illegal and will not pass compliance if you intend to leave the bottle there and use it from that position when camping. I stow my 4.5KG bottle when travelling in a milk crate ( fits fairly neat) under the bed frame in "Rosie". It is accessible through a hinge up panel in the bed base. As i said before. I do not use the bottle or connect it up anywhere in or on the van . It simply sits out on the ground when i pull up and i hook the hose to it. Can be hidden by dropping a milk crate over it and draping a sugar bag over the crate . Acts as a spare seat during happy hour .. "No smoking zone" Also better to have 2 X 4.5KG bottles than 1 X 10KG bottle. True.. same amount of gas storage .. but.... If one runs out you can survive a few days with the other bottle. If the biggen runs out half way through boiling the billy...... . well thats it.. game over until you unbolt it and lug it off somewhere for a refill / exchange. With short drawbars you could probably get away with the 2 small bottles on the front and a Jockey wheel. Difficult to fit a 10KG bottle on a short drawbar and still have room to swing a jockey wheel handle around without clouting the bottle. Reddo |
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Post by firefighter on Mar 19, 2009 11:33:19 GMT 10
 Hi Leigh what,s wrong with mounting the gas bottle on the drawbar safe and well vented...been mounted on drawbars since year dot you could make a small holding bracket for the 4/4.5 kg bottle  f/f ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by sportsman 1 on Mar 19, 2009 12:16:26 GMT 10
Thanks all for your input, certainly gives me food for thought.
Re transport, I cant see the difference between having a bottle in a milk crate under the bed or one secured in a cupboard assuming they are both disconnected.
While in use I can see some difference having the bottle mounted outside rather than inside, at least if the bottle leaks it is outside, if the stove leaks it wont matter either way.
F/F, I did not really want to mount a bottle on the drawbar as I wanted to leave the outside looking as original as possible. Perhaps Reddos idea of store inside and use outside is the best compromise. I will investigate mounting the bottle on the drawbar but as I already have the spare there it might be a bit of a squeeze.
It seems I need a POL bottle and regulator.
Cheers, Leigh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 12:43:31 GMT 10
Leigh Somewhere here on the forum is a photo of the Shultz's little red and polished alloy van at wintersun 07.  They had their gas bottle mounted on the dbar and it was disguised by covering it with something .. cant remember exactly what it was ..... .. might have been a fire bucket upside down or similar. I know what you mean about keeping the drawbar uncluttered. The older vans had metho stoves. So any sign of LPG is a give up that there is modern gadgets being used inside the van. If you want to savour the joys of old style metho fires then ditch the gas stove and practice up with a 2 burner metho jobby. By the time ya get the hang of lighting and using it.... You will be a fully fledged van-less fire fighter/evacuation warden/ burns casualty ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Reddo.. the ever helpfull  |
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Post by sportsman 1 on Mar 19, 2009 13:56:45 GMT 10
I dont mind cold meat and salad or lets go down the pub for a counter meal.
I dont even mind cooking with wood, petrol, kero, metho, whatever!
The main thing is when I take Karon she will probably do some cooking and then the gas or electric MUST be used.
For the sake of a couple of minutes to take the bottle out of the cupboard and hook it up outside I think I would rather do that than have a bottle permanently mounted outside. Besides have a look at the drawbar on Hilda (see Hilda's progress in members photos section) and the only spot to mount it is over the top of the Treg mount or make a mount off the side of the drawbar next to the spare (YUK!).
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Post by firefighter on Mar 19, 2009 14:34:08 GMT 10
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Post by Franklin1 on Mar 19, 2009 14:56:16 GMT 10
Hi Leigh, just adding some background information to your thread in case you go for the 'fixed plumbing - gas lines' option. This is a photo of a new twin regulator that meets the latest gas standards/regulations. I bought this one last September from a gas specialist shop. Cost $80, which includes the regulator and the pig-tail tubing in the bottom photo...  ...the other black and orange hoses were additional cost. Not cheap...but neither are funerals cheers, Al. |
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