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Post by hughdeany on Aug 1, 2021 18:55:09 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Top one looks like an old 50 s bondwood, Second don’t know, And third a Franklin Regent. Cheers hughdeany
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 2, 2021 21:29:41 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Top one looks like an old 50 s bondwood, Second don’t know, And third a Franklin Regent. Cheers hughdeany Hi Hughdeany and Kenny, I reckon the caravan in the first photo in this group might even be older than 50’s. Possibly 40’s? It’s almost a pre-war style. Don Ricardo
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Post by kenny on Aug 3, 2021 22:39:19 GMT 10
Wow, that makes it old even when these photos were taken! Thanks for your input gents, here's another three to get the grey matter 'on the road' (moving) (dad joke) .....
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 4, 2021 18:21:02 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, I have left off commenting for 19 hours but no one else seems to want to have a go! First van I think is a Castle, Second no idea, Third looks like a SA Viscount. Cheers hughdeany
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Post by kenny on Aug 4, 2021 19:08:29 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, I have left off commenting for 19 hours but no one else seems to want to have a go! First van I think is a Castle, Second no idea, Third looks like a SA Viscount. Cheers hughdeany Many thanks Hughdeany, what is/are the difference/s between a SA Viscount and others?
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 4, 2021 19:22:25 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, I think it was the shape and possibly different companies,not sure. I’m sure Don Ricardo will be able to explain. Cheers hughdeany
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Post by kenny on Aug 4, 2021 21:32:49 GMT 10
Here are the next ones. I've included the covered trailer incase you guys think its an early 'camper' of some sort? Then I think a Millard due to the shape of the header decal, Millard Capri and lastly a Franklin? but it looks a little distorted / wide at the front? THoughts?
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 4, 2021 21:37:09 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Easy ones! First is a Bushwacker tent trailer by Petersville, Next as you say is a Millard, Third is a big Franklin Regent,8 ft wide. Cheers hughdeany
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Post by kenny on Aug 4, 2021 22:26:18 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Easy ones! First is a Bushwacker tent trailer by Petersville, Next as you say is a Millard, Third is a big Franklin Regent,8 ft wide. Cheers hughdeany Thanks, do you reckon that Toyota Corona is the Bushwacker's hauling machine?
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Post by kenny on Aug 4, 2021 22:33:08 GMT 10
Ok I'll slip another set in whilst on a run!! Top = home made? Middle & Bottom = same? Valiant?
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 5, 2021 9:57:44 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Yes,the Corona would have towed the Bushwacker easily,only a few hundred KGs. Next lt, First one home made, Second and third Valiant. Cheers hughdeany
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 5, 2021 12:37:50 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Yes,the Corona would have towed the Bushwacker easily,only a few hundred KGs. Next lt, First one home made, Second and third Valiant. Cheers hughdeany Hi Kenny and Hughdeany, As Hughdeany said, the first one might be home built, but I wouldn’t rule out factory built either…not that I know built by whom at this stage. The two Viscounts could be either Valiants or Ambassadors, couldn’t they? Maybe you guys can read the words on the logos, but I can’t. Kenny, I’m interested in the number of Minis that turn up in the photos. It was obviously the thing to do in SEQ in the 60’s - have a caravan and a Mini. We’ve got the same combination now, so we’d fit right in. Don Ricardo
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Post by kenny on Aug 5, 2021 20:39:36 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Yes,the Corona would have towed the Bushwacker easily,only a few hundred KGs. Next lt, First one home made, Second and third Valiant. Cheers hughdeany Hi Kenny and Hughdeany, As Hughdeany said, the first one might be home built, but I wouldn’t rule out factory built either…not that I know built by whom at this stage. The two Viscounts could be either Valiants or Ambassadors, couldn’t they? Maybe you guys can read the words on the logos, but I can’t. Kenny, I’m interested in the number of Minis that turn up in the photos. It was obviously the thing to do in SEQ in the 60’s - have a caravan and a Mini. We’ve got the same combination now, so we’d fit right in. Don Ricardo Hi Don, that's so cool. I'm a 62 VW Beetle owner (ops, 2x but don't tell the other half). There are so many Mini's that have turned up in photos. Of all the suburbs in Queensland that the photographer visited, I'm half way through the "C" suburbs. In other words all you've seen so far are the suburbs that begin with A's and B's. I've found Mini Mokes, Hillman Imps and Hillman Minx's and those guy's are lov'n seeing the cars 'at home, un-posed'. I just did a quick count and found 40 so far, where do you want the Mini photo's splashed over too?
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Post by kenny on Aug 5, 2021 20:54:43 GMT 10
Don, did you see the Mini in the photo in the "Caravan Tow Car" area? Check that one, she's getting cozy with a Split Kombi and a Murrumba Star! In the mean time, here is one for you mate! regards kenny
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 5, 2021 21:02:16 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, I have left off commenting for 19 hours but no one else seems to want to have a go! First van I think is a Castle, Second no idea, Third looks like a SA Viscount. Cheers hughdeany Many thanks Hughdeany, what is/are the difference/s between a SA Viscount and others? Hi Kenny and Hughdeany, I don’t think the first van is a Castle, although I can see why Hughdeany suggested that. Castle was one of several manufacturers that built vans in the 50’s with three distinct/separate windows across the front. However, on those Castle vans, only the centre window actually opened. The left and right most windows were fixed, and in later instances were framed into the body with rubber seals. It appears to me that the van in Kenny’s photo has three fully opening windows, or at least windows that are all using the same frames. In addition, I can’t recall seeing any Castles with a rounded bulkhead like the one in Kenny’s photo. That styling was extremely common in the 60’s - but not a style followed by Castle which used an ‘eave’ style bulkhead, ie where the front roofline extends over the front wall and acts as an eave over the front windows. (Hope that makes sense?) Having said all that, I don’t know what the van in the first photo is. I was actually thinking it might be home built because of the use of the three identical windows across the front, which seems to me to be more of an amateur than commercial solution. Hughdeany knows that I utter the words ‘home built’ fairly rarely, because we’ve so often found that caravans so identified have been later found to be commercially built by one of the small manufacturers in the vintage era. Regarding the SA Viscount question Kenny, long story short, in the late 50’s/early 60’s Viscount expanded from Adelaide where it started, by building factories in Sydney and Melbourne. At first the range of vans produced in the three factories were basically the same, although there were some stylistic differences. The Melbourne factory didn’t last long and overtime the vans produced in Adelaide and Sydney began to diverge in design and style. Eventually Viscount split into two companies, and in the late 60’s SA Viscount was renamed as Vogue. Interestingly, as far as I have been able to establish the Ambassador and Valiant ranges were only ever produced in Sydney - but by the mid-60’s the Adelaide Viscounts looked a lot like Valiants in shape and style - see here. We don’t have a full grasp on the Adelaide Viscount range from about 1960 on. But we have seen two examples of an unbranded caravan model from around 1962/3 that has most of the characteristics of similar Sydney and Melbourne Viscounts of the period, and which we have concluded are almost certainly an Adelaide Viscount, even though the serial number format doesn’t match how the Sydney and Melbourne numbered their vans. You can see the two examples here. All this is a preface to saying that the van in the third photo outside the petrol station is almost certainly another example of the mystery vans we have identified as being from the Adelaide Viscount factory - check out the hipped rear and also the aluminium trim on the side indicating painted panels. I am confident that they are identical. Sorry, long answers to two short questions! Don Ricardo
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Post by kenny on Aug 7, 2021 18:37:40 GMT 10
Thanks for that Don, I now understand a little more. Are there any photos of 'vans' being transported in bulk interstate on a car carrier or train? Here are three more to ponder! Kenny's Guess: Top Franklin? Middle ? Bottom Valiant?
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 7, 2021 21:48:26 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, First one is a afranklin Regent,1969, Second is one of those funny shaped Qld vans I can’t remeber ( Don Ricardo will!)maybe an Arrow? Third looks like a early 60s Viscount with the big wind up hatch. Cheers hughdeany
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Post by kenny on Aug 15, 2021 21:10:25 GMT 10
Thanks Hughdeany, duly updated. Here come the next three that have stumped us! Kenny's picks: Top - Viscount? Middle - Glendale? Bottom - Bondwood?
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 15, 2021 21:30:34 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Top one looks like a Valiant, Second is a Glendale Scamper, Bottom looks like a factory bondwood with porthole beside the door,but can’t remember the name!😡 Cheers hughdeany
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 15, 2021 21:36:26 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Looking at your latest photos: 1. The sticker on the van doesn’t look like a Viscount (or Valiant) sticker, nor does the shape of the front of the van below the window which is too rounded. Based on the shape of the logo, I think either Roma or Vacation, but I’ll be interested to see what Hughdeany thinks. 2. Maybe a Chesney rather than a Glendale? 3. Possibly an early Purdon. Purdon used the scalloped rain channel seen on this van. Don Ricardo
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 15, 2021 21:42:56 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, First one is a afranklin Regent,1969, Second is one of those funny shaped Qld vans I can’t remeber ( Don Ricardo will!)maybe an Arrow? Third looks like a early 60s Viscount with the big wind up hatch. Cheers hughdeany Hughdeany, Regarding the second photo, I think you may be thinking of Litecraft? Don Ricardo
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 15, 2021 22:20:01 GMT 10
Hi all, Top one not a Roma or Vacation,still think it’s a Valiant, The second one is a Glendale Scamper,was an el cheapo Glendale that looked like a Chesney President but the lines weren’t as rounded, And I will go with you on the Purdon!😉 Cheers hughdeany
Don,regarding the Litecraft I agree with you,just looked it up on DHL and spotted the little rear ducktail!😉
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Post by kenny on Aug 16, 2021 20:31:00 GMT 10
Thanks gents for your inputs! I thought I knew a Glendale when I saw one, funny how Millard had York, Glendale had Scamper, Holden had Belmonts and Qantas has Jetstar! Here are your next three cryptic caravans:
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Post by hughdeany on Aug 16, 2021 21:58:29 GMT 10
Hi Kenny, Top one looks like a Wayfarer/ Globe with the lower front bulge, Second,possibly a Carapark Voyager,but the photo looks like it’s been stretched as the van looks about 9 ft wide, Third a early 60s Viscount. Cheers hughdeany
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 17, 2021 14:34:02 GMT 10
Hi all, Top one not a Roma or Vacation,still think it’s a Valiant, The second one is a Glendale Scamper,was an el cheapo Glendale that looked like a Chesney President but the lines weren’t as rounded, And I will go with you on the Purdon!😉 Cheers hughdeany Don,regarding the Litecraft I agree with you,just looked it up on DHL and spotted the little rear ducktail!😉 Hi Hughdeany, Ok, I’ll accept your judgement that the first photo isn’t of a Roma or Vacation - i was going off the manufacturer’s logo. But I’m still pretty sure it’s not a Valiant, because Valiant’s front panel below the window (allowing for the curve at the top and bottom of the panel) was quite flat and angled in towards the bottom. The front panel on this van is much more rounded. In addition, the manufacturer’s sticker is V-shaped along the bottom, and this doesn’t match any Valiant sticker. The original Valiant stickers were rectangular, and the later ones had the big Viscount ‘V’ at the left hand end, and then one or two lines of writing (depending on whether they were Alumvans or not). The big ‘V’ stickers also had quite a lot of light and shade incorporated into the design, whereas the sticker on the van in the photo is a much more uniform colour. Don Ricardo
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