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Post by Franklin1 on Aug 15, 2018 22:28:05 GMT 10
G'day all, One of the frustrations when searching for info on the forum, is to discover that the thread you wanted has somehow been deleted/lost/gone missing. The internet has a number of computers that trawl through all the websites on the internet, and capture a record of what the websites/pages looked like at particular times in the past. Apparently there are over 335 billion websites/webpages that have been copied and stored in 'archives'. One of the well-known archive storage computers is the "Wayback Machine" ( web.archive.org/ ) Elsewhere on our forum, there has been a discussion about Fynspray pumps, and we now know the original thread about these pumps was inadvertently deleted a year or so ago.
However, the Wayback machine captured the "Fynspray Galley Pumps" thread back on 20 April 2014, and the archived copy can be viewed here: web.archive.org/web/20140420081044/vintagecaravans.proboards.com/thread/2960/fynspray-galley-pumpsUnfortunately, whatever photos are missing from the archived copy can't be replaced into that copy (ie. you can't edit the archive copy), but it would be good if we could somehow copy that whole thread and recreate a new thread on the forum containing all the original info. cheers, Al. |
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Post by murray on Aug 16, 2018 7:24:53 GMT 10
That tea towel rail thread is still hanging around  |
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Post by sportsman 1 on Aug 16, 2018 8:31:26 GMT 10
Gee you are a clever bloke Al. Now I will have to waste time looking through the archive to find all the things I wasted time looking for before?  ? Leigh. |
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 16, 2018 20:43:30 GMT 10
Hi Franklin1, That's a pretty clever trick you've discovered there with deleted posts... But is this the post on the forum you're looking for? I just found it on my computer...  As you commented a lot of the photos and links are missing. Perhaps we could work together on recovering at least some of them if you and everybody else think it's worthwhile? Don Ricardo |
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Post by Franklin1 on Aug 16, 2018 22:03:19 GMT 10
Hi DonR, well thank goodness you were able to recover the original thread. I was dreading the thought of having to reconstruct the archive copy into a live thread again. Yes, I can work with you to reinstate whatever photos I posted throughout that thread. I think it is very worthwhile, considering the number of vans out there that would have a pump tap. In Cobber's list of parts and suppliers, under the PUMPS... heading, there is a comment: "To see a great thread on the workings of these pumps - Click here". That link goes to the deleted thread, so we need to amend that link. Well done to you for 'saving the day', DonR!  cheers, Al. |
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Post by shesgotthelook on Aug 17, 2018 7:58:46 GMT 10
While you super sleuths /computer geniuses are at it, do you think you could find my 'show us your picnic set' thread? Another one Geoff didn't mean to axe  |
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Post by Franklin1 on Aug 17, 2018 10:18:30 GMT 10
G'day sgtl,
Obviously, anything added to the thread after 4 Nov 2016 won't show in this archive copy. I couldn't readily see when the 2nd capture was taken, but could track it down if it was later than 2016.
Our Vintage Caravans website homepage has been captured 202 times between October 22, 2002 and August 8, 2018, but not every sub-page is captured at that time. It takes a bit of detective work to find when each sub-page was archived. It's heaps easier to find an archived thread if you know the actual thread URL, but that's not always easy once a thread is deleted. At least we now have a way of tracking down some of the old threads that have fallen off the edge of the planet. 
cheers, Al.
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Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 17, 2018 18:20:25 GMT 10
While you super sleuths /computer geniuses are at it, do you think you could find my 'show us your picnic set' thread? Another one Geoff didn't mean to axe Hi SGTL, Crikey, now you're really testing out my keyboard skills! But is this what you're looking for? Unfortunately, the link provided by Franklin1 is only for the first page of the lost thread (out of 2 that existed at the end of 2017), so I couldn't recreate any more than that. It appears like that's all that Web Archive actually archives (ie the first page). However, if Franklin1 - or anyone else - can point me to the second page of the thread, I'm happy to add to what I've done. Don Ricardo |
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Post by Franklin1 on Aug 17, 2018 19:17:01 GMT 10
Hi DonR,
Yes, it appears in this case that only the first page has been archived. I tested the Wayback machine using the URL for my Walsh van project, and that thread hasn't been archived at all, so the capturing/archiving process must be a bit 'hit and miss'.
The following link will show you that 886 URLs have been captured from the Vintage caravans forum so far. You'll notice in the first half dozen results that multiple pages from a thread are sometimes captured, so I don't know why the archiving system doesn't do that all the time: web.archive.org/web/*/http://vintagecaravans.proboards.com/thread/*
More to learn about how it all works, methinks.
cheers, Al.
Update: According to the list of 886 threads that have been captured, Pages 1 to 6 plus page 15 of my van thread have been archived. Pages 7 to 14 and anything after P15 must have been too boring... |
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