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Post by penny61 on Jul 8, 2012 16:31:23 GMT 10
I'm trying to find another one of these lights for Penny as I'm hoping to be able to take her over the Pits for a rego inspection in the next couple of weeks.... together with my Kombi, fingers crossed.... and having no luck. When my Dad went to go get Penny for me he jack-knifed backing out of a motel carpark.... Luckily this was the only damage, as she apparently kinda bounced off the spare tyre mounted on the back of the borrowed 4WD...  I've tried on line and at my local... and not so local... auto shops, with no joy. If I can find the same one I'll just need to change the cover... If I can't, I'll have to change the whole light... and the one on the other side so they match. Which I'd rather not do.  Any suggestions anyone?  Vanessa and Penny |
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Post by Franklin1 on Jul 8, 2012 18:07:27 GMT 10
G'day Vanessa, I might be able to help out, depending on two bits of information... 1) The external diameter of the beehive cone where it sits under the spring clip in the metal base, and, 2) The height of the beehive cone (ie. from base to tip).  Some of these beehive lights have differing base diameters and heights, so it's sometimes not easy to find a match for a broken cone. cheers, Al. |
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Post by cobber on Jul 8, 2012 18:36:46 GMT 10
G'day Vanessa 'n Penny, Have you had a goosy gander at these ones on eBay at the moment ? Cobber. |
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Post by penny61 on Jul 8, 2012 20:48:08 GMT 10
G'day Vanessa, I might be able to help out, depending on two bits of information... 1) The external diameter of the beehive cone where it sits under the spring clip in the metal base, and, 2) The height of the beehive cone (ie. from base to tip). Some of these beehive lights have differing base diameters and heights, so it's sometimes not easy to find a match for a broken cone. cheers, Al. Hi Al Thanks for the diagram.... something tells me these lights are something a bit more complicated then I would have thought. I'm presuming they are original even though the wiring up the side looks very new?? Tomorrow (when I can see what I'm doing outside) I will get the ruler out and have a look.... watch this space! Although.... I thought the base looks like plastic....? I could be wrong. Hi Cobber Those ones aren't quite the same but.... am I to understand that if the base diameter is the same it doesn't matter if the lense isn't the same/ doesn't match the base? Vanessa and Penny |
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Post by Franklin1 on Jul 8, 2012 21:33:57 GMT 10
G'day Vanessa, If the base is plastic (and looking at your photo closely, it's possible it is), then I'd be inclined to think they were fitted later. They may have been replacements for the original lights, or were later additions to the van. Both the diameter and the height of the lens are important. The diameter has to virtually just fit inside the base, and be retained by the spring clip. The height has to have sufficient room for the globe to sit inside, as well as allowing for some air space between the top of the globe and the top of the cone. Otherwise the heat from the globe can possibly melt the plastic cone if it's too close. The ebay ones would be a good substitute if the diameter and height match what you have. The ones I have in the shed are "new-old-spare" plastic ones, so it's a case of which type you prefer. If mine suit your needs, I'll send you two cones (or 3 if you want a spare), which means you'll replace both cones. I don't suppose dear ol' Dad salvaged all the broken bits of the old lens? A steady pair of hands and some 5-minute Araldite can work wonders with a broken lens. I repaired a lens on a van and it gets through rego each year here in NSW.  cheers, Al. |
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Post by penny61 on Jul 8, 2012 22:19:11 GMT 10
I don't suppose dear ol' Dad salvaged all the broken bits of the old lens? A steady pair of hands and some 5-minute Araldite can work wonders with a broken lens. I repaired a lens on a van and it gets through rego each year here in NSW. Hahahaha.... Actually dear ol' Dad suggested the same thing. But when I asked him where he put the pieces.... Well, he realised the absurdity of his suggestion.  ;D Vanessa |
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Post by JBJ on Jul 8, 2012 22:23:06 GMT 10
Hi,
A good reasonable priced alternative to a missing lens is to contact Dale McShane at Classis Plastic on the Gold Coast. If you google him you will get his details. Hi can reproduce most lenses to order. You will need to supply him with a sample in most cases, but he does have a range of stock moulds.
I've found him very good, & quite reasonably priced in the past.
JBJ
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Post by Roehm3108 on Jul 9, 2012 7:43:32 GMT 10
Hi Penny
Can't help with the lights, but do you really need to get a roadworthy certificate or have the van checked at the Transport Dept? I know that in Qld and Vic, if she weighs under 750kg, you only need to do a self-assessment to get your van registered.
Ray
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Post by penny61 on Jul 9, 2012 12:11:05 GMT 10
Hi Penny Can't help with the lights, but do you really need to get a roadworthy certificate or have the van checked at the Transport Dept? I know that in Qld and Vic, if she weighs under 750kg, you only need to do a self-assessment to get your van registered. Ray Hahaha..... Sorry, I wish it was that easy. The problem is she is not registered in my name. If she was in my name, all I would have to do is go in and do the paperwork to change it over.... you get 2 weeks from when you have 'moved' to do it. If it's registerd interstate but in someone elses name (as when you have just bought it) it has to go over the Pits... and you have, to quote the lady at DMV "as long as you like" to do it.... but if it expires you have to get a permit to drive it to Regency for the inpection. Stangest rules I ever did see. And the cause of all my Kombi and Propert problems.... Vanessa |
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Post by penny61 on Jul 9, 2012 17:19:15 GMT 10
Hi All,
I had another look at the lights on Penny this afternoon.... Does anyone know how to take them appart, so that I can measure them more acurately? They seem about 62mm in diameter and 43mm in height... but it's hart to tell for sure.
Vanessa and Penny.
PS. I always thought they were plastic, but they're hard like some type of enamel coated metal? I get the horrible feeing I have an awful lot to learn about Properts...
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Post by kaybee on Jul 9, 2012 18:08:04 GMT 10
Hi, those lenses are often held in place with a wire circlip that fits between the inside of the lamp body and the lens ,so all you have to do is find the end of the circlip and prise it out ,then the lens will pull out. I saw a new pair of those lenses somewhere within the last couple of weeks , probably at a garage sale....and didn't buy them ....sorry....if I trip over anymore in the next few weeks I'll let you know, regards, Colin. |
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Post by cobber on Jul 9, 2012 19:34:14 GMT 10
G'day Penny61, Those measurements sound like they are pretty much the same as the ones on eBay, not originals but maybe even better  ... and cheap. Cobber. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 19:42:44 GMT 10
Hiya Penny
I am almost certain that your lamp is a "Campbells" lamp.
I think the actual outer diameter is the same on most of thier clear , amber and red plastic lenses....
Its the depth of the cone that may be a problem.
They make a shallow style lense ... but they hit the end of the lamp before seating in the base properly.
You will need the deeper syle "Beehive" lense.
I have about 1/2 doz lenses down in the back shed. Not sure of condition or colours... and.. too cold to go down the bat cave tonight to check em.
Give me a wake up call via a private message tomorrow and i will have a look see in the daylight.
Regards
Reddo
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Post by penny61 on Jul 9, 2012 19:47:54 GMT 10
Hi, those lenses are often held in place with a wire circlip that fits between the inside of the lamp body and the lens ,so all you have to do is find the end of the circlip and prise it out ,then the lens will pull out. I saw a new pair of those lenses somewhere within the last couple of weeks , probably at a garage sale....and didn't buy them ....sorry....if I trip over anymore in the next few weeks I'll let you know, regards, Colin. Thanks Colin! I saw that clip yes... But I was afraid I was going to break something if I tried to prise it out.... In hindsight I gues the lense that's already busted is the one to try first....! Vanessa |
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Post by penny61 on Jul 9, 2012 19:51:33 GMT 10
Hiya Penny I am almost certain that your lamp is a "Campbells" lamp. I think the actual outer diameter is the same on most of thier clear , amber and red plastic lenses.... Its the depth of the cone that may be a problem. They make a shallow style lense ... but they hit the end of the lamp before seating in the base properly. You will need the deeper syle "Beehive" lense. I have about 1/2 doz lenses down in the back shed. Not sure of condition or colours... and.. too cold to go down the bat cave tonight to check em. Give me a wake up call via a private message tomorrow and i will have a look see in the daylight. Regards Reddo Thanks, that I will definately do! It never ceases to amaze me how much the people who use this forum know about some of the strangest things to do with vintage vans...! Vanessa and Penny |
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Post by Franklin1 on Jul 9, 2012 23:18:50 GMT 10
G'day Vanessa,
If you've got a small fridge magnet, you could do a test and see if the magnet is "attracted" to the base. That will give you an indication of whether the base is made of steel, or not.
I checked the lens I have, and they are 62mm base diameter, and 43mm height, so I'll sit on the "reserve list" and wait to see if you need me to help out. Bear in mind that mine were made in about the 1980s, so they aren't "vintage", but they are new/unused condition.
Send me a PM if you need any further info about them.
cheers,
Al.
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Post by penny61 on Jul 12, 2012 11:19:46 GMT 10
Hi Again, Well, this morning I went outside, after the rain had stoped, and wit a butterknife (sorry Dad) prised out the bit of wire on the lights. The broken one smashed to smithereenies, but the other one survived... Yay!! I did find it rather interesting, that for two lights that are "the same" the inside of one is painted brown, and the other red.... Anyway, the diameter is (according to Dad's measuring tape) 62mm and the hight is only about 39mm.... Thanks, Vanessa and Penny. I swear she thinks my incompetance is funny...! ;D |
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Post by penny61 on Jul 15, 2012 20:31:31 GMT 10
I would just like to say a vary public Thank You to Mr. Rodnet, Mr Reddo and Mr. Franklin for helping Penny and I out with our little light lense for rego problem... and also to all the others who have posted their opinions/advice.
As someone who knows about as much about light lenses as the staff at modern Auto Shops, and not having the time (due to work and uni) or the location to physically search further afield and go trolling through county towns (since I'm living in a capital city) searching, it is very much appreciated that there are kind people out there who are willing to share their knowledge and resources with us...
Thanks again guys!
Vanessa and Peny P. Propert.
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