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Post by 2sneezles on Mar 25, 2015 21:53:11 GMT 10
Hi. We would luv some bits for our clipper were fixing. Window winders , fly screens, lights etc. any thing like that would be appreciated.
Regards Ron 0411472591. We are in the adelaide hills.
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Post by Don Ricardo on Mar 26, 2015 14:37:03 GMT 10
Hi Sportsman1, Good to see you've been working on what goes where in the Clipper production line up. As far as I'm concerned your listing looks correct in terms of the designs of the vans, but I'm not sure we've got the dating quite right yet. My reason for saying this is that the following advertisement for the 'lipless' Clipper model vans appeared in the 1955 Winser:  (Source: K Winser, Australian Caravan and Touring Manual, No 7, 1955, page 99) My guess is that the 1955 Manual would have been prepared, and possibly issued, at the end of 1954, which means that the advert would show the models available in 1954. We know that sometimes Winser Manuals included photos of models which had been well and truly superseded, and that could mean that the photos of the Clipper vans published for 1955 might also have shown superseded models. However, that tended to happen in the photo listing in the Manual, not so much in the adverts and the Clipper advert shown above is headed 'Big New Clipper Range'. I therefore tend to think that the photos in the advert are relatively up to date (ie show the 1954/5 range). Possible confirmation of this is that the Clipper brochure provided by Lazza above, which he has dated as 1956, shows the 'lipless' model as well as a 'lipped' model. If the lipless model was around in 1954-56, then the lipped models (such as Don's and yours) may have been introduced a year or two later than thought. Or maybe the two designs overlapped (which wouldn't have been unusual), and/or were alternatives that were available at the same time. What do you think? I don't know what the basis is for Don's van being a 1953 model, however if he has firm evidence that may help us to clarify some of these questions. Let's see what he can tell us about that. Don Ricardo |
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Post by Don Ricardo on Mar 26, 2015 14:46:05 GMT 10
Following are some photos of a South Australian Clipper Special caravan owned by forum member Clipper Special. The photos are posted on his behalf:        
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Post by Don Ricardo on Mar 26, 2015 14:53:25 GMT 10
Hi Here is a pics of a 1963 clipper commodore at nildottie in SA .It is beyond restoring & i have salvaged a few bits . It has 1963 on the electrical compliance sticker. .....Don Hi Don, Based on the dating of models provided by Sportsman1 above, I am certain that the Nildottie Clipper is much earlier than 1963. I think it is the same model as yours, except that it has had some after market aluminium cladding and aluminium (steel?) windows added. In relation to all this, you have mentioned that your van is a 1953 model. Can you tell us the basis for that date? Do you have any documentation or was it what the previous owner told you verbally? I was just wondering because the answer to those questions may help us to work out the dating of various Clipper models a bit better. Don Ricardo |
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Post by sportsman 1 on Mar 26, 2015 15:04:02 GMT 10
Thanks Richard, regards the Lipless Clippers I have changed the cronological list to reflect what we can now see in the Winser advert (wish we had that earlier!). I now think they would have overlapped as the early vans had timber windows as do the lipless ones, so we have lipped and lipless with timber windows and so far we only have aluminium windows on lipped vans. The advert also lists models, sizes, etc which is facinating. I have an (earlier?) brochure with some of its insert sheets but this has no model names included. Are you hiding any more Clipper gems in the cupboard?  ?? Regards Don's post I have sent him a note re date, I think this is a mid fifties one. Ali windows look aftermarket so probably replaced timber when updated, painted, etc. His vans date of 1953 is about right for his chassis number of 241, whilst mine is 369 and was confirmed as a 1955 build. Any more numbers would certainly fill in the gaps and prove (or disprove) my assumptions re build dates. Leigh. |
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Post by Don Ricardo on Mar 26, 2015 15:21:48 GMT 10
His vans date of 1953 is about right for his chassis number of 241, whilst mine is 369 and was confirmed as a 1955 build. Any more numbers would certainly fill in the gaps and prove (or disprove) my assumptions re build dates. G'day Sp1, I am hoping that Clipper Special may be able to tell us the serial number for his van once he comes on the forum. I think that will help us get our dates sorted out a bit further. Talking about me having any more Clipper gems hidden away in the cupboard (no, sorry, all cleaned out for the moment), sounds like you may have a few yourself, including the brochure you mentioned. Time to get them out and do a show and tell I reckon.  Don Ricardo |
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Post by don on Mar 26, 2015 19:24:24 GMT 10
Hi Caught up with Paul (clipper special)at Tanunda on the weekend and he is going to get back to me with his chassis no. Spoke to sneezles a few minutes ago and he will also check.The Nildotti van was very rusted but I will check again when I catch up with Tony.I got the metho stove from this van & the mounting holes lined up exactly with my van so that is what should be there. The inside (what is left of it)seems to be exactly the same as mine,so I agree with you both regarding age.I am only going on what I was told about mine being 1953 but everything points to that being about right.Do you know when they started building?I have set my timeframe for Echucha . hope to meet you there...Don
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Post by 2sneezles on Mar 29, 2015 19:50:23 GMT 10
Hello Don sorry to get back so late i checked for the the number on the draw bar its 1962 its a tandem 15 and half ft long
Ron
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Post by sportsman 1 on Mar 30, 2015 15:55:01 GMT 10
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Post by 2sneezles on Apr 1, 2015 21:33:39 GMT 10
Hello does anyone know were we can get the white clipper sticker like the one in this thread we would like to replace the old one also the lino tile with the clipper on it if at all possible
thanks
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Post by sportsman 1 on Apr 3, 2015 21:57:43 GMT 10
The one on here was done for or by Don. Dont know if it is a sticker or is painted on.
Mine was painted over and also had a hole drilled through it. I am going to repaint mine rather than get a sticker.
Leigh.
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Post by mibosa on Apr 4, 2015 9:27:51 GMT 10
I have only recently discovered that one of my neighbours previously worked at Carapark and Clippers in South Australia. He does not own a computer so I will print this thread and give it to him to read and he may be able to provide further information regarding the companies and their products. I don't know how long this will take me but I will upload whatever I can obtain when available.
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Post by sportsman 1 on Apr 4, 2015 15:47:43 GMT 10
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Post by 2sneezles on May 9, 2015 19:36:36 GMT 10
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Post by sportsman 1 on May 10, 2015 8:35:28 GMT 10
Very interesting, first one I have seen without a flash of some description down the side, instead it is painted between the windows which is a thing that a lot of vans had. It appears the back does not have the bustle but it is aluminium clad. Does this look original or do you think it was fitted at a later date? If original it must have been one of the first so fitted.
Congrats on getting the pictures up, well done!
Look forward to seeing it in the flesh sometime soon.
Leigh.
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Post by 2sneezles on May 10, 2015 8:55:59 GMT 10
hi its original as there was water damage in the back so we took the cladding off and it still had all the original sealing fabric tape it had never been resealed its being totally repaired as close to original as possible
the lino tiles have been cut to the original tile size and we have used vintage laminex
its a nice solid van
thanks
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Post by 2sneezles on May 29, 2015 7:14:20 GMT 10
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Post by mibosa on Jul 3, 2015 20:55:04 GMT 10
I have only recently discovered that one of my neighbours previously worked at Carapark and Clippers in South Australia. He does not own a computer so I will print this thread and give it to him to read and he may be able to provide further information regarding the companies and their products. I don't know how long this will take me but I will upload whatever I can obtain when available. A couple of days ago I caught up with my neighbour and provided him with the documents I had printed off this thread about Clipper caravans. The gentleman is getting on in years and is ailing from short term memory problems, but we chatted about my van and other van topics for an hour and a half and I had to politely move him on as we could have been there all day, albeit very informative. He believes he is probably the last of the people from the Edwardstown (SA) Clipper factory so I will await his response to the paperwork I provided him. I will endeavour to catch up with him a week or two to see what he is able to value add to this thread. My dilemma is that he doesn't possess a computer, so how do you explain to an elderly person, with no computer experience or understanding, what he is reading in the printout you have just provided him? ?? My next thought is to bring him into my house to show him the thread on the computer. Can you possibly imagine showing someone that, when they have never sat in front of a computer in their 70+ years? Certainly brings you down to earth and imagine how other people get through their days. I will provide an update about Clippers when I can. Regards, Bob. |
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Post by Don Ricardo on Jul 3, 2015 22:12:42 GMT 10
Hi Mibosa,
Great to hear you are following the Clipper trail up with your neighbour. Any details you can obtain will add to the picture we have which will be great.
As you have suggested, many of those folk who were involved in producing vans in the vintage era are no longer with us, so those that are, are living treasures!
Don Ricardo
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Post by mibosa on Jul 3, 2015 23:49:15 GMT 10
Thanks Don Ricardo, yes he is a great man, his story telling is just endless. I haven't asked his wife or him how old he is must he must be in his late 70's. Just true genuine neighbours, who are hard to find. I gave the documents to his wife because he had gone off for a walk and was late getting home and I offered to drive around to look for him but she declined the offer. 10 minutes later I thought the SWAT team were busting my door down but it was him wanting to speak with me. I showed him my project and then it began! But I loved every minute of it. So yes, I will endeavour to add to the Clipper picture.
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Post by mibosa on Jul 21, 2015 11:17:34 GMT 10
For those Clipper enthusiasts, I caught up with my neighbour again this morning but he stated that he little he could add to the documents I had printed off and gave him to read. I'm sure he probably could but it is a matter of sitting him down and pushing him a bit, and I don't know that he would be up to the interrogation.
Regards, Bob.
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Post by sportsman 1 on Jul 21, 2015 13:15:40 GMT 10
Thanks for your efforts Bob.
I suppose all I can suggest is keep in touch. You never know when or what might come out of the woodwork at some time in the future, you might just happen to see him on a good day.
Cheers,
Leigh.
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Post by Don Ricardo on Jul 6, 2016 10:59:34 GMT 10
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Post by Don Ricardo on Jul 6, 2016 11:07:31 GMT 10
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Post by sportsman 1 on Jul 7, 2016 10:33:50 GMT 10
Hi Richard, in response to your question regards the Toowoomba Clipper, my guess would be the front windows have been replaced at some stage, wouldn't think they would have fitted both wooden and ali windows when new. Did you also notice the door has a doggy door in it? ?? Obviously the door has been turned over and fitted upside down for some reason. Turn it over and the plain sections and the painted section would line up again, and the Clipper barn door section would be at the top. |
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