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Post by DC3Td on Mar 9, 2010 15:08:10 GMT 10
Howdy. I would think a new ply floor & all wiring concealed & operable with the neccessary trip switches. Would imagine Vic Roads would have a reference site to view requirements.cheers gordon
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Post by DC3Td on Mar 10, 2010 18:02:35 GMT 10
Hello Brewer. Short of a phone call to Vic Roads,perhaps a friendly chat with your local service station. cheers gordon
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Post by Don Ricardo on Mar 10, 2010 20:26:25 GMT 10
Hi Brewer, I don't have any particular experience regarding the path (road?) you're taking. However, I would have thought there would be a basic requirement that the "trailer" be in roadworthy condition - so, basically structurally sound, all safety items working (brakes, lights, etc), and not about to cause a road hazard by parts falling off or suddenly disintegrating. I also would have thought that there wouldn't be a difficulty if the "trailer" was effectively an empty shell providing the other requirements were met. Having said that, you might need a floor to be regarded as basically sound... Our Son No 2 once managed to get a boat trailer registered which was partly held together by (painted) bog and paper mache (I kid you not). And when Son No 3 took his Lego (put together from bits ;D ;D ;D) Morris Mini 850 down for registration, the VicRoads guy was so busy telling us that some people put 1275 motors in their Minis (tut tut!), that he completely missed that we'd put a 1275 motor into ours...  What those experiences tell me is that the inspections by the VicRoads fellas are sometimes somewhat cursory. But...the lights did work on both the trailer and the Mini!!  You certainly see some pretty dodgy trailers out there, but I'm sure your van doesn't fit into that category! For what it's worth! Don Ricardo |
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Post by minicamper on Mar 11, 2010 5:38:40 GMT 10
Hey Brewer, The first question is where in Vic are you? The office you visit makes a BIG difference. I have had plenty of dealings with Vic roads. There are downloadable information packs on their site. The fact that the van is an empty shell is irrelevant. Not having a sound floor is relevant. Technically, having no interior, it could be classed as a trailer and not a caravan, but then its later use could be challenged. As said earlier, the van must be roadworthy. If like most vans, it's over 750kg, then it must have working brakes. If it's pre 1989 then it only has to have a chassis ID number (of any format) stamped into the drawer bar. This is the info you need www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/256922CD-F955-4029-ADDF-04C308295EA9/0/VSI9.pdfwww.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/E5F44416-57E4-4164-98F5-69E3E8E1C5E3/0/VSI26.pdfMy approach would be to explain that you need to move it around on the roads whilst you source and rebuild the original interior (of course sourcing the right parts and gettting tradesmen to do the work for you means road travel)... Cheers Chris |
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Post by littleblackbird on Mar 15, 2010 17:01:34 GMT 10
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Post by DC3Td on Mar 16, 2010 16:32:04 GMT 10
Hi Brewer. Back in 69/70 or thereabouts i owned a 48 Olds.Took it to local Registry.After two attempts at braking over a given distance & being told i yanked the hand brake on,inspector jumps in passenger seat -do it again says he.Dutifuly i near sent him through the windscreen when i braked.No h/brake used! Not happy enough he spent a half hour scrutinising the underbody & prodding the floor with a steel spike trying to find rust holes & whatever else.It passed, though he completly missed the fact that there was one rear swing-arm shocky missing! Makes you wonder. cheers gordon
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Post by atouchofglass on Mar 16, 2010 16:51:04 GMT 10
Vic Roads sounds like their Qld counterparts. When registering the Olympic I had a roadworthy done and no actual weight recorded. The Qld roads inspector measured and checked the van outside. But wasn't interested with the interior. She was flat out busy and just wanted the van through. The RWC was gold to her and a guestimate of the weight was fine. It wasn't until much later that I realised the mechanical tow hitch wasn't working.  That has only been replaced this past week...... Not the safest of things to have.... and as said it had passed a RWC..... Makes you think.... |
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Post by minicamper on Mar 17, 2010 5:44:01 GMT 10
Hey Brewer,
Here's another one for you -
We took a horse trailer (only wanted for moving stuff not animals) to Vicroads. We bought it unregistered, but Vicroads had already issued a VIN for it as there wasn't one.(to the previous owner)
Stupidly, I listened to them when I asked about the VIN and build date.
I already know what they require, but, wasn't sure how far their records extended as far as who they'd issued the VIN to, so after telling them the build date and VIN, stamped it on as they instructed.(seeing as it had been issued)
Here's the catch. As soon as you put on an international standard VIN number (the one's they issue), the build date becomes irrelevant. Dumb, because the year of manufacture is the cut off for everything else. NO mention of the VIN overuling all this.
Coz we stamped on a long winded VIN as they said to, we now have to comply with all the post 80's laws, weighbridge, engraved specifications plate, new VIN etc- Oh and it's no longer built in 1971 - who cares what that says, they say it can't be older than 1984 now - how dumb is that.
IF i had just stamped whatever i wanted on the drawer bar, I would have breezed thru.
Moral of the story, don't take what anyone on the phone says as gospel.
What I do know they will do is:
Check the build date
Check the chassis number (for one)
Check the weight stamped on
Measure the width and length
Check the lights
Check for brakes (if over 750kg)
Check for safety chains
Check the hitch
Check for overall roadworthiness (bits hanging off, bald tyres etc)
Check for proof of ownership ( a receipt )
If all this ticks off ok, you'll be fine.
Because I always fit brakes, that kinda overrides half of the rules when the van is on or under 750kg anyway.
JUST DON'T use a vin from them! There is no need for our VV's, make up your own.
Cheers
Chris
(mind you, we shouldn't whinge, it's much better and cheaper than in NSW!)
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Post by littleblackbird on Mar 18, 2010 11:36:31 GMT 10
I'll have to ask Bill to come back and remove my VIC roads issued stamp( they issued it for the towing permit.)... and make a new one up and get it put on before REGO.
Has anyone got a pic they can post as to how the weight is stamped on??
I have been given the weight but its not on there.
IF I could stamp it on it would be better???
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Post by minicamper on Mar 19, 2010 5:35:39 GMT 10
Guys, with the VIN...
Brewer, don't feel that you might be doing a "dodgy". You're not.
If the van was clearly built pre 89 (i think it says in the regs, 89 or 84, can never remember)you are perfectly entitled to add a chassis ID of your own configuration. Perfectly legal. The age of the van is the key.
If the build date is stamped in somewhere, that's all they need with your VIN, unless it has a rego number (old plate etc) that you can prove and link back to it's previous history.
These plus the GVM, then the usual RWC stuff and you're done.
LB, removing the number if stamped already is not recommended. They frowned when I said that as to them, it then looks like a dodgy alteration intended to deceive and the requirements get worse.
Brewer, if you want to talk about it all - feel free to pm me and I'll pass on a number..
Cheers
Chris
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Post by littleblackbird on Mar 19, 2010 13:16:51 GMT 10
I have not registered it yet and they issued it to me as the seller had not provided one and they said it was needed for the towing permit. I was told that if when I collected the van that if it had one to ignore the one they gave me when I registered it and use the one on it?  |
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Post by Jennison on Mar 20, 2010 5:02:26 GMT 10
There was no VIN on my 53 pathfinder so I picked my own, trying to sort of match/"describe" the van at the same time!! - JPF195314 (jennisonpathfindermadein195314ftlong)
jennison
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Post by littleblackbird on Mar 20, 2010 8:38:10 GMT 10
Thats what I was thinking of. Once I get some Galv flat tin, Ply and Aluminium pulled out and aged to a degree. It just makes it more personal and if they are making us apply to the Newer van rules if we use one of their issued numbers it sort of takes away the V V van thing, for me anyway... How on earth would they know I removed the one I already got stamped and put a new one?? Dont reply to that one, it's rhetorical.... |
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