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Post by myvan on Sept 8, 2009 22:27:36 GMT 10
Marilyn was built in 1951 so I decided today 9/9/09 is her 58th Birthday Here is our daughter with some wine Paul and the family will partake of  She originated in Newcastle NSW. We have had her three years now and its about time she got out more Today also was Marilyn's first filming gig for a TV ad. The grey tape around the sides is holding her together well ! She is now ready to be re vamped and will post pics here of her makeover. KJL |
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Post by bobt on Sept 9, 2009 22:58:15 GMT 10
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Post by myvan on Sept 10, 2009 16:28:58 GMT 10
Hello bobt
The alcohol is still sitting there on the kitchen table. Paul's had the flu and said he wont drink for a while and I don't drink !
My daughters will drink the wine at their next party and Paul will drink the beer watching the football now he's starting to feel normal again !
KJL
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Post by myvan on Sept 11, 2009 13:04:56 GMT 10
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Post by sportsman 1 on Sept 11, 2009 15:39:54 GMT 10
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Post by myvan on Sept 11, 2009 16:33:19 GMT 10
Hi Leigh
Yes just noticed wrong date !
KJL
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Post by JBJ on Sept 11, 2009 18:38:15 GMT 10
Hi Kathryn,
Definitely a Newcastle van.
Back in 1951 the main builder was Walsh's caravans as I understand. naturally there were others.
They developed a front style of their own, with the straight up & down front panel,with curved panels top & bottom.
They also used the scalloped galvanised iron awning panel over the front , & sometimes the rear, window.
Humpty has a van very similar in style & profile to yours.
The Purdon Brothers in East Maitland also built very similar vans, & sold them as completed, basic shells or kits in flat pack on a chassis, or just plans.
Unfortunately no one kept records, so its all hearsay who did what.Years they were built is based on hearsay, & thats a shame.As the years go by, the minimal records & history we have will diminish, unless people like us record it somehow.
Our first ply van, Groovin', was a 10' Purdon. Sugarshack has a 14' Purdon. Both his & ours were built around 1958 & had aluminium side windows. But Purdons had a different wheel well shape & trim to yours. I'd be reasonably confident yours isnt a Purdon by the wheel wells alone. The front profile is almost identical to a Purdon.
Have a look back in the Members Photo Albums & see how similar Groovin' is to yours, & notice the differences. Its worth the effort to realise how vans evolved.
But no matter who built it, the great thing is you are rebuilding it, & thats another one saved from the Speedway Caravan Murderers (not much else you can call them really)
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Post by cobber on Sept 11, 2009 19:05:26 GMT 10
G'day Den and KJL, You're right JBJ..... if this history isn't gathered and recorder now.............. it's history  Have a look at the "Down History Lane" forum and there is a bit of information on KJL's van that was on "The Collectors" program a long time ago and had good information that led me to contact Adel Prout..... the rest is history  Cobber. |
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Post by myvan on Sept 12, 2009 19:56:56 GMT 10
12/9/09     We found a 1951 Sixpence in the caravan. Must have been there since she was built !   On drawbar says JAW 51 ( Made by John Walsh 1951)   We found the original colour being light green  Written on back of ice chest   Paul and I made a decision that none of the frame was worth saving and the caravan will need to be rebuilt from the chassis up. We will use the original cupboards, spirit stove, and icebox The chassis is in good condition   So we say goodbye to Marilyn as we know her. She will be rebuilt but in a different style and shape. We are working on a design based on the 1950's but will be a whole new look Bye Marilyn but your spirit will live on in Peggy Sue your sister  |
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Post by vernon on Sept 13, 2009 8:14:23 GMT 10
Hi guys,
All the best with Marylin we had a similar issue with Vernon. The more we revealed the worse he was, in the end we dismantled one side at a time. If you need alu stripping there is a place we found in Bris as well as an awesome lighting shop in Redhill. Happy to pass on any info or help if you need it.
Des and Kel.
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Post by myvan on Sept 13, 2009 9:06:31 GMT 10
Hello Des and Kel
Any advice appreciated.
Its amazing what you find when you start pulling apart a caravan of that age.
There was mould on one side so there was no way we could keep any of the sides
Cheers
KJL
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Post by cobber on Sept 15, 2009 7:01:17 GMT 10
G'day KJL, It's sad to see Marilyn's demise because I've noticed her photo in many places around the WWW  .......... on the other hand you must be a very.... very.... very lucky person because your ice box is made from John Lysaght flat iron . Have a look at this link down at reply #3 and tell me how the numbers on your Queen's Head brand mark match up, it would be interesting to know if the system works. Cobber. |
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Post by myvan on Sept 15, 2009 10:27:21 GMT 10
Hello Cobber It was sad for Marilyn but she was only held together by luck and we could not have ever taken her out again. I cant make out the number under the queens head  The numbers either side 17 and 8 would be the day and month of manufacture as your link states More of the icebox    KJL |
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Post by cobber on Sept 15, 2009 10:47:23 GMT 10
G'day KJL, Shame you can't decipher the number under the Queen's Head..... that's what it's all about, the year of manufacture. If other pointers say the 'van is/ was 1951 that number you would reckon should be a 51 or 50 or 49.... can't you make a guess ? Cobber |
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Post by myvan on Sept 15, 2009 12:20:02 GMT 10
Hello Cobber Doing a bit of research found out this information "Lysaghts corrugated iron was the 'Orb' brand, but this and other brands of corrugated galvanized iron used in Australia will be discussed below. When their Queen's Head brand flat sheet appeared in Australia is unclear, but it was certainly by 1887. In 1907 the English Lysaght company was advertising locally its flat sheet galvanized iron, branded with a queen's head in a rectangle, with the letters J, L, L, B in the corners, clockwise from the top left. By 1938 the letters of the Queen's Head brand were shown as L, N, W, L, with a figure such as '38' on the neck to indicate the year, and it is not clear whether this may distinguish the imported from the local product. Galvanized iron sheeting which is branded as being made for Elder Smith & Co of Adelaide, is probably also by Lysaghts, as the " I can make out L on the right hand bottom corner of mine. I think thats an L top left hand corner?  KJl |
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.......... on the other hand you must be a very.... very.... very lucky person because your ice box is made from John Lysaght flat iron