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Post by Darren on Dec 26, 2015 15:31:01 GMT 10
I'm thinking of getting this old van but would like any info I can before I do I think it's a vintage van as it has bond wood sides & tin front,back & roof even has a tin bath inside not sure if it's original this isn't in good condition at all & would need a full resto for sure as you can see by the pics One thing that gets me is that it's got a dual axle set up which is the first one Ive seen & is about 16-17ft Can't find any tags or markings on this one but thought one of you guys or gals might know roughly what age & make it might be I can get this for free but would like to know if it's a rare van or not before I bother moving it as I think a trailer will be needed but it's only 30ks from me I know it will need a lot of work but I'm up for it I think  but just need to know what I'm working with first & I'm sure someone on here can tell me what I need to know         |
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Post by DC3Td on Dec 26, 2015 18:03:00 GMT 10
Just to pique your interest,it is a quality build!
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Post by Darren on Dec 26, 2015 18:11:16 GMT 10
Just to pique your interest,it is a quality build! Please explain as I know nothing about these old vans |
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Post by akeepsake on Dec 26, 2015 19:05:27 GMT 10
Looks early 60s to be but not sure of make ?
If it's free and you have the passion for it then grab it and roll up your sleeves and get on it!
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Post by akeepsake on Dec 26, 2015 19:07:51 GMT 10
Maybe a Roma?
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Post by Darren on Dec 26, 2015 19:13:39 GMT 10
someone mentioned this as well as a globe trotter but as I have no idea with these old vans I can't comment |
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Post by DC3Td on Dec 26, 2015 19:28:59 GMT 10
Ok Dazza. To start the ball rolling :Click on our Down History Lane header > then Caravan & Topic Index > Then scroll through the alphabet probably starting with G for Globetrotter. R for Roma.These will give pics/info that might assist your search in so much as design similarities/layout/dual axles etc. cheers
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 7:16:12 GMT 10
Ok Dazza. To start the ball rolling :Click on our Down History Lane header > then Caravan & Topic Index > Then scroll through the alphabet probably starting with G for Globetrotter. R for Roma.These will give pics/info that might assist your search in so much as design similarities/layout/dual axles etc. cheers Thanks for that tip DC3Td I don't think it's a Roma now & might be a globe trotter as it has some similarities to one in that section but still not sure but I'll keep looking I'll have some better pics today which I'll post & hopefully find some numbers or markings on the van somewhere which might help Darren |
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Post by shesgotthelook on Dec 27, 2015 7:46:54 GMT 10
In 2012 someone sent me photos of this van, it was in St Arnaud. I don't remember anything else.(Got that info off the photos which I kept  ) I don't think it's a GlobeTrotter. Maybe a Capricorn? |
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 7:58:20 GMT 10
In 2012 someone sent me photos of this van, it was in St Arnaud. I don't remember anything else.(Got that info of the photos which I kept ) I don't think it's a GlobeTrotter. Maybe a Capricorn? The van did come from vic but not sure where so it might be the same one, but it resides in country nsw now I'll have a look through the capricorn vans now Darren |
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Post by shesgotthelook on Dec 27, 2015 8:00:13 GMT 10
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 8:20:05 GMT 10
It's a small world we live in & it does look like the one but has weathered a bit since Darren |
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 8:23:31 GMT 10
I'm gunna have a migraine by the end of the day as I've been searching for similar vans most of last night & now with this new info I'll be going all day again lol
Darren
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 8:48:05 GMT 10
Well just looked through the coronet vans & there's is a 20ft (Mustard colour) which looks to be the same style & shape as this one so maybe it's a corenet ?? Darren |
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Post by DC3Td on Dec 27, 2015 9:29:52 GMT 10
Gday Darren. You might want to check for a number welded on the draw bar ('A' frame).These usually contain a letter before/after the number.This could narrow down the search.Also check for scribbles (pencil/pen/crayon etc)under/in/behind drawers/table/cupboards/shelves.
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Post by shesgotthelook on Dec 27, 2015 9:52:39 GMT 10
As Gordon says, Look under the sink & table (if still there), back of wardrobe etc for any pencil marks. Now I'm getting the 'Vacation' vibe! Similar flash but haven't seen one this big or with a flat front.
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 10:04:56 GMT 10
Just waiting on the lady to get home from shopping so I can go out to get a proper looksie & some measurements
I'll give you guys an update with what I find along with some better pics
Darren
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Post by DC3Td on Dec 27, 2015 11:12:18 GMT 10
Gday Darren. I reckon the link SGTL pointed out a few posts up is of the same van.Reasons just for starters:Same microwave on 3rd shelf.Same stickers on window beside door. gordon
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 11:15:56 GMT 10
Gday Darren. I reckon the link SGTL pointed out a few posts up is of the same van.Reasons just for starters:Same microwave on 3rd shelf.Same stickers on window beside door. gordon I think your right gordon & was thinking of giving the number a call tonight to see if the can give me anymore info on the van |
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 16:01:51 GMT 10
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Post by brenten on Dec 27, 2015 16:20:29 GMT 10
this may help date the van the rims are from a fj holden they where made from 1953 to 1957....brenten
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Post by Darren on Dec 27, 2015 16:42:27 GMT 10
this may help date the van the rims are from a fj holden they where made from 1953 to 1957....brenten Thanks for that info brenten & that would fit in with this rego label which has 1956 Melboure olympics on it  |
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Post by Don Ricardo on Dec 27, 2015 19:46:35 GMT 10
G'day Darren, Great puzzle you've set us with the van you're looking at. I've been reading the posts on the van and working through the possibilities. A couple of comments which may help you...or may not... First comment, the label with the Olympic rings is actually quite a bit later than 1956 for at least three reasons: - Back in 1956 the Victorian rego labels didn't have logos and promotional material on them (eg references to events such as the Olympics). They were much simpler and plainer items. This is an example of a 1965 Victoria label, and from memory those in 1956 were pretty similar:
 - The label you've shown us refers to Vicroads, but Vicroads didn't come into being until 1989. (Before that Vicroads was a whole lot of different government boards. I think the body responsible for motor registration in 1956 was called the Motor Registration Board.)
- Most importantly, caravans in Victoria didn't have to be separately registered in Victoria until the mid-60's and so didn't need/have rego labels and instead used a rego plate showing the registration number of the tow vehicle.
Not sure why the label you've got has the Olympic rings on it, but it has to be from no earlier than 1989 for the reasons I've explained. Second comment, because the van you're looking at has bondwood sides and aluminium ends and roof, that suggests a build date of the late 50's to around 1967 when that combination of cladding materials was used by a number of manufacturers. The general design of the van you're looking at seems to me like early 60's - say 1960 through to about 1965, which incidentally is the time frame within which a number of manufacturers started building longer vans with tandem axles like the one on offer. But the van on offer has some design features which are a bit unusual: - The front wall of the van you're looking at is relatively perpendicular. Vans built using a similar style tended to have front walls which sloped forward more than the one we're discussing. The back of the van you're looking at does slope forward towards the front, as was common, but not as much as other vans. (MInd you I'm basing these observations on the photos that have been posted, and photos can sometimes make it difficult to assess slopes and distances.)
- It appears that the front and rear windows of the van you're looking at are the same size as some of the side windows. That's relatively unusual and means that the front and rear windows are relatively narrow for the early 60's.
The only caravans that I can think that are close to the one you're looking at in design at this point are some of those built by Huntsman. However, the front wall of the Huntsmans seem to lean forward more than they do on van you're looking at. Like that van, some Huntsmans seem to have used the same or similar sized windows for both the front and sides, but the front windows were consistently set lower in the wall on the Huntsmans than on the van you are looking at. If you look at the van you're considering, the front and back windows are in line with the side windows, while on the Huntsmans the front windows are set lower than the side windows. So, subject to any further info that may come to light, my thoughts are that the rego label for the van is correct - the caravan is a home-built (which would explain the FJ rims), and from the early to mid 60's. If you decide to take it on, it will make a great project and I for one will look forward to hearing about the restoration. Good luck with your decision making. Don Ricardo |
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Post by Darren on Dec 28, 2015 7:11:06 GMT 10
G'day Darren, Great puzzle you've set us with the van you're looking at. I've been reading the posts on the van and working through the possibilities. A couple of comments which may help you...or may not... First comment, the label with the Olympic rings is actually quite a bit later than 1956 for at least three reasons: - Back in 1956 the Victorian rego labels didn't have logos and promotional material on them (eg references to events such as the Olympics). They were much simpler and plainer items. This is an example of a 1965 Victoria label, and from memory those in 1956 were pretty similar:
- The label you've shown us refers to Vicroads, but Vicroads didn't come into being until 1989. (Before that Vicroads was a whole lot of different government boards. I think the body responsible for motor registration in 1956 was called the Motor Registration Board.)
- Most importantly, caravans in Victoria didn't have to be separately registered in Victoria until the mid-60's and so didn't need/have rego labels and instead used a rego plate showing the registration number of the tow vehicle.
Not sure why the label you've got has the Olympic rings on it, but it has to be from no earlier than 1989 for the reasons I've explained. Second comment, because the van you're looking at has bondwood sides and aluminium ends and roof, that suggests a build date of the late 50's to around 1967 when that combination of cladding materials was used by a number of manufacturers. The general design of the van you're looking at seems to me like early 60's - say 1960 through to about 1965, which incidentally is the time frame within which a number of manufacturers started building longer vans with tandem axles like the one on offer. But the van on offer has some design features which are a bit unusual: - The front wall of the van you're looking at is relatively perpendicular. Vans built using a similar style tended to have front walls which sloped forward more than the one we're discussing. The back of the van you're looking at does slope forward towards the front, as was common, but not as much as other vans. (MInd you I'm basing these observations on the photos that have been posted, and photos can sometimes make it difficult to assess slopes and distances.)
- It appears that the front and rear windows of the van you're looking at are the same size as some of the side windows. That's relatively unusual and means that the front and rear windows are relatively narrow for the early 60's.
The only caravans that I can think that are close to the one you're looking at in design at this point are some of those built by Huntsman. However, the front wall of the Huntsmans seem to lean forward more than they do on van you're looking at. Like that van, some Huntsmans seem to have used the same or similar sized windows for both the front and sides, but the front windows were consistently set lower in the wall on the Huntsmans than on the van you are looking at. If you look at the van you're considering, the front and back windows are in line with the side windows, while on the Huntsmans the front windows are set lower than the side windows. So, subject to any further info that may come to light, my thoughts are that the rego label for the van is correct - the caravan is a home-built (which would explain the FJ rims), and from the early to mid 60's. If you decide to take it on, it will make a great project and I for one will look forward to hearing about the restoration. Good luck with your decision making. Don Ricardo Thanks for your in depth post Don it's greatly appreciated With the rego label I was only going on the images of the olympic rings & the words melbourne olympics 1956 so was only a guess at the best Also the front wall does have slight slope but not much as it's almost straight up & down as it looks in the pics Also with your second comment "Second comment, because the van you're looking at has bondwood sides and aluminium ends and roof" they are bondwood sides but are actually Tin ends & roof not aluminium - well it looks like it to me I will have the van home sometime today but am still unsure if I'll take the resto on myself yet Once I get a better look at this I'll make my mind up - either way I had to rescue it as the lady was going to send it to the scrap yard  & it's to good for that My only problem is if I decide to let someone else take it on is how much to sell it for as I have no idea on what these things are worth so any suggestions would be welcome Darren |
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Post by DC3Td on Dec 28, 2015 7:43:39 GMT 10
Gday Darren.One thing we don`t do is evaluate `vans.Comes down to what some one is prepared to outlay irrespective of Brand or condition. cheers
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but just need to know what I'm working with first & I'm sure someone on here can tell me what I need to know
) I don't think it's a GlobeTrotter. Maybe a Capricorn?
Another thought that popped into my head was Franklin or Coronet. That blue flash pattern should be the clue but I cannot find one the same.
& it's to good for that