Water-based enamel paint

[Roehm3108]

I've done a fair bit of painting over the years, using acrylic and enamel paints. I was talked into using the all new water based enamel for my van interior doors and this paint is really giving me the heebie-jeebies (as cobber would say). It is so sensitive to climatic conditions and brushing techniques, that it is very difficult to get a good finish. I think that I'll be buying an oil-based enamel tomorrow and starting all over again.

Anybody else had any experiences with this paint?

Ray

[greedy53]

i used it on my van sprayed it 4 times with a not so happy outcome ,so i ended up using a roller that gave me a better job but i wont be using it again,

[cobber]

RAY!

Water based for exterior ply......... Oil based for interior woodwork, I thought EVERYBODY knew that

Enough to give a bloke the heebie - jeebies

Cobber.

[Roehm3108]

Mar 29, 2013 17:42:40 GMT 10 cobber said:

Water based for exterior ply......... Oil based for interior woodwork, I thought EVERYBODY knew that .

You're right cobber and even I know that But some zealous paint sales people will tell you that the water-based enamel is easier to use than the oil one (water cleanup and no yellowing) and get the same results. The inside of the doors are acceptable, but you cannot get a smooth finish like the oil enamel when it''s just a flat even surface. I have had three attempts at it now, and have to sand it back again At $50 a litre, it aint cheap either

Ray

[Deleted]

Ray... Ray.. Ray..

Water based paint on the exterior.......
So... tell me... when was the last time you came across a duck with waterbased feathers..... ;D

Apparently its all the rage nowadays.... with all these hairy arsed kids working in paint shops pedalling the "Go green" speil , even the ducks have given up thier old oil based feathers....and moved on to that watery crap.
The down side is... they are no longer waterproof and are sinking left right and centre.... Tradgey really......

I dont care what you use on the interior... but if ya want something that will not absorb moisture and turn to "chalk" on your walls.. like water based paint does ... well then stick with the tried and true product all the old wise .. and still floating ducks in the know use...
OIL BASED.

Use whats left of your water based stuff on your loungeroom walls.. thats where its in its element

Reddo

[Roehm3108]

Noooo Reddo. I was using the water-based enamel on the interior cupboard doors. But it really is total crap, unless you want to have a paint job that looks like a 5 year old did it. It shows the brushmarks and dries uneven, even after three attempts.

Today I bought the oil-based enamel and will start all over again!!!

Am using Weathershield acrylic paint for the exterior, the same as the roof.

Ray

[takeiteasy]

You can get water based enamels, pastel crayons, and artist oil paints..... all rubbish. It does not get the hard finish of true enamel either..... and doesn't smell right.

[Roehm3108]

;D ;D ;D Crayons sound good - at least it'll be easier to change your colours regualrly ... unless, of course they're oil based

What I don't "get" is that if you troll through blogs under this subject, you can hardly find a good word being said about this paint, and yet yesterday when I was in the big greeen shed, virtually all paint brands were flogging this stuff and oil based paints are getting thin on the shelves!

While i was there, I spoke to a customer who was a painter himself and he just rolled his eyes when I asked him what he thought of this paint. Seems he will only use it when a customer insists there be no paint smell. So this is what its finally come down to - avoiding a bit of smell for a couple of days after a painter has been

As far as I'm concerned, never again!!!!

[Deleted]

Hi Ray..

As i eluded to in my earlier post. It appears that the sales staff are getting the "waterbased /environmentally friendly training" from management and the suppliers.
To add to the "green push". Oil based paint is getting harder to find on the shelf.. and when you do find it.... its dearer.

I can still see my old man up painting houses that had tallowood planks or cypress pine and he was slopping heaps of "Red lead" primer/undercoat onto the boards... ( he use to snitch it from the BHP pits where he worked as a painter /signwriter.)
Mention this stuff to any of the green types nowadays and they go into a tailspin.... its held in the same regard as asbestos by them.
The houses are still there and the boards look as good as they did when dad spruced em up back in the 60s.
Try doin that with todays" thin as water" paints

You have only got to lift the lid and give the stuff a stir to see it hasnt got the "body/thickness" that the old enamels had. Doesnt cover anywhere near as good either.

Only advice i can offer people who insist on joining the tree huggers and using waterbased paints.... and having trouble with laying off and leaving brush marks is to either sit the paint tin in a pot of warm water for a while before using it... or.. if you are painting doors etc they can be removed and set up horizontal in warm sunny place to heat up before painting.. that combined with warm paint should see the stuff flow and level better than trying to paint em in a vertical/cool place.

Works with oil based paint...


I am sure people that are competent with a spray gun can do a better job than us brush and roller brigades.

Regards
Reddo...... Even the man from snowy river wore oilskins

[Roehm3108]

Hey Reddo
Not sure if the warming up process is gunna work on this stuff. I painted my doors horizontally every time. On one day the temp was in the mid 30's and you had no time to "lay off" because the paint dried too quickly. The word I got was NOT to use too many strokes when applying this stuff, because it drags too much. The "best" results I got was on a 22 degree day.

I think this paint has its uses on things like architraves and door jambs, which are not very wide. The trouble seems to happen when to have to butt against where you are painting.

Anyway, back to the old fashioned oils today ;D ;D ;D

[seeshell]

Hi Reddo

I have to agree that oil based paint is much nicer to work with - you get more working time with the brush and tipping off gives you a beautiful smooth finish once you get a bit of practice at it. If that weren't enough reason, the water-based stuff doesn't wear anything like oil on doors and trim, and needs to be painted over more often.

On a holiday to visit friends in the States, I helped out a bit with their renovation at a "painting party" - which was *just* as much fun as you are imagining!

Over there there's no more oil paint - only this new water based stuff. The working party was made up of others who I would have said were on the experienced end of non-professional painters, having done their own homes over. We worked most of a weekend doing a few rooms and in the end trim looked like it was painted by 5 year olds - so I believe Ray when he says no amount of technique would have made much difference.

Less than four years later they have to do it over - it hasn't held up to the kids, chairs against baseboards, general cleaning, and it is going dull.

Cheers
Seeshell

[Roehm3108]

So, seeshell, your friends are having a 5 year olds only, painting party ;D ;D ;D

[seeshell]

Hi Ray

Well maybe they should. After we were done it sure looked like it - we were all pretty disgusted, and we hadn't even been having "beverages"!

Cheers
Seeshell