Only issue i have with the " 1954 frieghter van " and its aluminium windows is that no where in the advert does it state that it was an Australian made van . may well have been a yank import from an earlier year. ( "frieghter" is a yankee term) But what we are trying to establish is when did Aussie van builders start using aluminium windows?? As you say the evidence so far points to 1955 .
Another issue i have is my Fairway van has timber windows so i have been calling it a mid fifties van. Given that aluminium windows where available in 1955 doesnt necessarily mean that vans with timber windows where all made pre '55. I would imagine there was a lot of van manufacturers that persisted with timber framed windows right up to a point where thier sales where starting to drop off due to public demand for vans with aluminium windows.
What i am saying here is that it would be possible that timber framed windows where still being offered to the public up until as late as the early 60s' and some home builders may have stuck with timber windows for longer than that
Don't take any notice of KB 2's jibe, we all know you are capable of a strange kind of logical thought.... sometimes.
The fact that it is called a freighterTrailer does leave it open to question if it is Oz or yank that's for certain sure, but then the price is given as £625 and the door is on the left hand side ,which means it was available in Oz at least.
What you say is true, a van with timber frame windows could have been made in 1936 or 1976 but if it has aluminium frames we have to try and determine if they appear original or not. If they look original, and the van is in original condition, at this point we can conclude it was not made before 1954/5
Anyway...a fair dinkum ridgy-didge restorer would not replace timber (wood) with aluminium ....would he
My 1951/52 Keith Winser Book (No4) has no aluminium windows in any of the A-Z listed vans. It DOES have a Luxury10 with Aliminium weather shields front and back, so the alli was starting to be use in manufacturing. Cobber, the Flynn pics in my book show it has wooden windows. Geoff, your ad re the Caravan Park Ltd shows the Superb (like mine) with all metal construction. That is all steel construction walls, but with wooden windows. I think that they didn't go to Ally till they became Carapark in the mid-late fifties. I think it's becoming more and more conclusive that Allum windows came around the mid fifties. Ray
Post by ridgeydidge on Mar 29, 2007 10:11:31 GMT 10
"a fairdinkum ridgey-didge restorer would not OWN OR WORK ON anything other than a WOODEN caravan" says Reddo.
I'm happy to confirm all that has been said as to what a fairdinkum ridgey-didge restorer would or would not (or is that wood not) do. I'm picking my project up on Saturday and looking forward to a long thorough resto.
Prompted by Sportsman1 (thanks Leigh) who noticed that this add. from 1954 shows the “Hendy” caravan with what appear to be Aluminium framed windows. However the next add. from the same caravan & Touring Manual for a DIY version appear to be timber framed. There are no adds. For aluminium window frames in the 1954 book and none of the other caravans pictured in the book appear to have aluminium frame windows so, maybe the fact that parts of the “Hendy” were supplied by “Ansair”.. who built aeroplanes coaches/buses and were a division of Ansett airlines... has something to do with the “Hendy” being maybe possibly one of the first Australian made caravans to have aluminium windows (if it has)
Post by Don Ricardo on Nov 8, 2008 20:12:54 GMT 10
Just a point of clarification re Reply # 10, Ansair was orginally a division of Ansett Transport Industries which produced coaches/buses - not aeroplanes - from the 1940's onwards. I'm guessing that the name Ansair may have been derived from Ans(ett) Air(lines).
Seems I may have stirred up some useful discussion. I would assume the Jennison Pathfinder of Jennison's would be original, and if it was built in 1953 then it would be the earliest one so far.
This brings me to Harriet's reply, he states his 1950 Globetrotter has ali windows which were custom made for the old guy he got it off. Were they fitted when the van was made new or were they fitted at some later stage? I suspect the latter.
According to W.M. Whiteman who wrote a book called "The History of the Caravan".....( British caravans that is, pity we don't have one on Australian caravans eh?)... Aluminium framed windows came on the British scene in 1947 and replaced the chromium plated brass frames which were heavier and more expensive, I have not yet found what caravans they were fitted to so like you I will keep looking.
From what I have read, soon after the end of the war when caravan manufacturers returned to making caravans for domestic use...... and they were sorley needed to house returning soldiers.... they were told to stick to basics because materials and labour were required for other major works. It was not until around 1947-48, and even into the 50's, that they had access to the materials and technologies that had developed as a result of the war, so you're right the war had a lot to do with the new way of doing things.
It seems as though it took a couple of more years before aluminium windows became common place down here.
As an aside.... these basic “live in” caravans that were built to house people in crowded conditions just after the war........people who did not want to live in caravans in the first place, apparently is blamed for causing a lot of resentment towards caravans for many years after the war.
Post by Don Ricardo on Aug 18, 2014 22:41:34 GMT 10
On 26 November 2013, Franklin1 commented on the introduction of double hopper windows and sloping sided windows by Viscount:
The double hopper windows...were being used on the new Viscount Ambassador model that was launched in late 1964, but could have been used by other manufacturers earlier than that. The sloping side windows were also used on Viscounts and Valiants in 1963, but again could have been used earlier by others.
(The comment was in relation to a non-Viscount/Ambassador van with double hopper windows belonging to Beetlesbailey.)