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Post by sillybuggaz on Sept 5, 2006 21:08:30 GMT 10
G’day there vintage vanners! Up for a challenge? What am I? When was I built? Where was I born? Clues in weekly instalments. Just brought this van after reading info on this fantastic site. Actually I’m one of youse… But all will be revealed later. Perhaps at Coldale, should be a great event. I might have to come up……….no, across……….. no, down for it. All the information and clues are kosher……. No reddo herrings here! Best of luck! No sheep stations here. Clue 1 This van sleeps 4 in two doubles without folding a table down! Clue 2 Clue 3
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Post by earlee on Sept 5, 2006 21:17:31 GMT 10
piece of cake - you are a very large sink with beds, with an asian coupling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2006 7:44:30 GMT 10
Hi Sillybuggaz Welcome to the forum We like competitions. You should aclimatise quite nicely here... there is several "silly Buggers" on this site. I am not the only one in the 420 subscribers. My first guess is the van you have must be "multi story" I.E: 2 double bunks down the back one above the other. If that aint right then it must be a bloody long van.... or may be one of those fibreglass expandervans where the beds push out either side? Year of build ... late 50's Where....... Australia Gezz i hope its made of Bondwood. I will get a bonus point. Oh bye the way... if you intend going to Coledale you better ring the van park now to avoid disappointment. If you intend "Feeding with the stars" you better send a PM to the Tickos so they can include you on the caterers lsit of attendees. Cant wait for next weeks clues. Reddo
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Post by groovy on Sept 6, 2006 11:20:32 GMT 10
So far I would guess (and I mean a wild guess) you were built in Sydney or surrounds in the early to mid sixties, with a night and day divan and double bed that folds out/down from a wall. Greg
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Post by earlee on Sept 6, 2006 12:10:27 GMT 10
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Post by tinnie on Sept 6, 2006 23:29:15 GMT 10
Great game Sillybuggaz! Maybe i am challenging your namesake here but: Place of birth - somewhere in the UK What r u - being UK I would say, fibreglass Born in 1964 Awaiting the next clue - coz I really don't have one! Cheers, Tinnie
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Post by Jim on Sept 7, 2006 18:48:20 GMT 10
My guess so far
The bed arrangement suggests a push up or wind up camper. The sink suggests a (later) wind up camper. But the coupling doesn't fit most or all of them.
Rice made (make?) horse floats and quite a few really odd trailers over the years but didn't get into campers or vans, as far as I know.
Maybe they sold couplings to other manufacturers?
So.. try this.. A late 60's or early 70's horse float, made in Sydney with a four berth penthouse on the roof and an added tea room on the front.
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Post by sillybuggaz on Sept 11, 2006 17:32:55 GMT 10
Hey Earlee! Nice try, but the only asian coupling i know of was when Mao Tse Tung married Mrs Tung!!!!!!!!! ;D OK Reddo, You sly ole dawg, you. Thanks very much for warm welcome. I guessed there were a fair few silly buggers on this site and I wouldn't mind joining in a bit of silly frivolity. Yes, you definitely get a big bonus point if the van turns out to be made of the natural materials you are so fond of. Hey there groovy, Nice ideas but me Mrs would never have me sleeping on top of her!! Or above her for that matter. She just wouldn’t stand for it. Or even sit down for it. For that matter. Hey earlee again, Are you sure you are the full “glass and a half” ........ a Cadbury van indeed!! What a lot of POLLYWAFFLE!! But if your right you’ll come up ROSES eh! Tinnie, Maybe this week’s clues will help you some more. Jim, A late 60’s to 70’s converted horse float. Not really as silly as it sounds. As a young lad growing up, in the 60’s I distinctly remember the late great Peter Allen touring our area and local shows as the Allen Brothers. They performed in a marquee tent and me and me mates would sneak around the back to try and get into the show free. I recall as we snuck past his converted horse float that he was touring in, I could hear him singing “I still call HORSE TRAILIA…. Home!!!” This weeks clues……………………….. * unlike the great Mohamed Ali this van is a light weight….. but still a bit of a boxer! Clue 2 Clue 3 Clue 4 Clue 5
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Post by sutcac on Sept 11, 2006 19:25:54 GMT 10
Gee wizz, Sillybuggaz, you don't give much away with your clues! But from last weeks picture of the Rice hitch (aka the Asian coupling) I can spy some very green grass in the background. so you must live somewhere it rains alot , or you don't have any water restrictions.--unlike S,E. Qld where we're in one of our worst dry spells ever! What's with the piece of string with what looks like a ball sinker on the end hanging in the doorway? Can any one date the NSW plate? I've got no bloody idea, but it looks like it might be a bondy? How about some easier clues next week? Cheers, Sutcac
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Post by humpty2 on Sept 11, 2006 19:37:11 GMT 10
Plate is early 60's...........bondwood van with new black & white lino.........the "Whale " foot operated pump???Didn't think they were that old!........the hitch?? no mechanical override.....either very light or vacuum brakes on a big van!
Humpty
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Post by hwyman on Sept 11, 2006 22:47:19 GMT 10
Some sillybuggaz use words that may identify them and some have clever programs that can identify a persons reflection in glass!
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Post by Jim on Sept 15, 2006 20:23:37 GMT 10
Ok, there’s nothing like a challenge when there’s a sheep station at stake.
It reminds me of the story of the card game at Mount Gipps Station in the 1890’s when a 1/7th share of BHP changed ownership on one hand of euchre.
The guy who lost his share in the card game was Sydney Kidman. What would a 1/7th share of BHP Biliton be worth today?
The clues so far..
Ply van, probably 50’s or 60’s..
Both the Whale pump and the Rice coupling look like original equipment.. an unusual combination in an Oz caravan, suggesting an import.
It probably doesn’t have brakes so it’s possibly not too large. But two double beds without using the table suggests something expandable or fold out.
I doubt someone would put up a Jayco type wind up/push up type camper or something similar on this site as a ‘guess what this is’, besides they are usually heavier than they appear to be and have brakes.
It’s not an older small expanding camper type of van such as a Topagee as you don’t see Whale foot pumps in them as original equipment, or see Rice couplings on them, for that matter.
The Rice coupling especially seems to say ‘import’, yet the sink says ‘Aussie’..
There are older solid top vans with the beds, hinged at the bottom, that fold up at the ends of the van.. What are they?
Both Rice and Whale are (originally) UK (Irish?) companies and have been around for a many years (probably since the 30’s or 40’s)
Could it be a van someone imported from the UK..?
It was probably some years before Whale and Rice components arrived here in numbers, so that may help or not..
The German made gas lamp sorta fits the idea that the van is maybe an English import, but it may be a red herring. From the reflection in the glass it’s too low (on a table maybe) and may not be attached to the van.
Maybe one should send the image off to the CSI team in Vegas for further enhancement and to lift fingerprints for database checking.
It would probably help more if someone knew a mole in the NSW road traffic office to check the numberplate and we could send a spy around to check out the van.
Could the ‘cord and blob’ showing in the door picture be a wire, and be a height limiter for a wind up system? Probably not, as what’s showing of the door and wall seems too high with no break, so I guess it’s a regular hard top caravan. Maybe something slides on the cord/cable?
Just how cryptic are the clues?
“No sheep stations here” There are no sheep stations in the UK (as we know them) or is it just a metaphor for “No prizes”?
Maybe the cryptic Mohammed Ali clue says more than is first apparent.
Light weight, or might it be Liteweight? Liteweight is a NZ brand of caravan.. “Still a boxer” does it mean still working, still in business? Liteweight are still in business in NZ.
The 50’s and 60’s saw quite a few caravans imported to Aus from NZ, up until they were ‘Muldooned’ in the 70’s.
The NZ caravan industry has had a heavy UK influence on their products over the years and they used UK components (such as Whale and Rice maybe)
So..
Is it a late 50’s Liteweight caravan, built in NZ and imported to Australia around that time?
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Post by Jim on Sept 18, 2006 16:17:00 GMT 10
One more thought here
The van Mark is chasing in Dee Why is a Litecraft.
Does that name fit the Mohamed Ali clue?
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Post by sillybuggaz on Sept 18, 2006 17:24:05 GMT 10
OK Guys, Here's the last lot of clues. You've all come up with some wonderful ideas, some close, some far far away. Hwy Man, wow, computers have advanced, thanks for keeping my identity secret to let the sillybuggerz program run its course. sutcac, yeah it is pretty green here, Hope these clues are a bit easier. Jim, Great theories, but wrong wrong wrong. sorry mate. Big points for thought processes and creative thinking though Humpty2, yep yep, you got the date of the number plate correct , and right again, light van no brakes. to the clues... dont' wind me up!
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Post by hwyman on Sept 18, 2006 19:58:54 GMT 10
By the look of that roof hatch sat on some type of cupboard and the blue colored curved ply it looks as though it may be some sort of pop up foldout ply beds like an experimental early cabana caravan concept?
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Post by groovy on Sept 18, 2006 20:53:51 GMT 10
The roof curvature and hatch looks like an early Jennison Pathfinder, they used a similar windup mechanism at each end of a very long hatch sort of a forerunner to the modern poptop and the flyscreen was done the same way only thing is, I don't think they ever made a lightweight van. Supalite did make some unusual vans back in the late fifties and early sixties, the roof curvature is similar to some of their vans also. They were at Hurstville almost next door to where the Toyota dealer is now. Well thats the limit of my guesses. Greg
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Post by tinnie on Sept 18, 2006 22:19:35 GMT 10
Jim's comments about the possibility of a euro influenced 1950s NZ build had me thinking. Then when I read Hwyman's suggestion about some sort of Cabana concept, the penny dropped so I did some research and came up with the answer.
It is little known that the predecessor to the Cabana was actually produced in New Zealand. Known as the Salami, it was a predecessor to the Cabana. Production of the first New Zealand Salami started in 1958 when a master in his field from Amsterdam set up shop in Christchurch. Using his knowledge from the European Market this pioneer began production for the New Zealand market, one of the unique features on this Salami being that it contained a little bit of Rice (only at one end) and some where rumored to contain a little Whale (this was later outlawed). Sadly, very few of these Salami's reached Australian shores in the 1950s/early 1960s, so this is indeed a rare find. Later on, production of the better known Cabana commenced in the land of Oz, and so the low number of NZ Salami imports ground to a complete halt. The Salami is still produced there in New Zealand today of course, where the company has grown to a large manufacturer with 25 different Salamis available.
Yep, no doubt about it I still have no clue!
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Post by surferboy on Sept 18, 2006 22:23:14 GMT 10
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Post by earlee on Sept 24, 2006 22:23:32 GMT 10
Judging by the clues and replies - I reckon you must be an australian custom made, small volume, foldout type van that has lots of ingenuity. Similar to my first guess as a Cadbury's type van. Probably made post-war and not a recognised brand. Most likely to be cream in colour. The size would be right for towing by a normal car eg. holden. Well Sillybuggaz - am I close?? ;D
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Post by Jim on Sept 25, 2006 14:22:04 GMT 10
Thanks hwyman, Cabana was the brand I was trying to think of last week. We’ve been told it’s not one of them but it sure appears to be a fold out/lift out bed concept.
As tinnie suggested, it could be one of the variations on the Cabana, such as the Pepperoni?
If it’s the double, double-berth model it might be the Double Pepperoni, (with the classic crust)?
I’m now joining those who don’t have a clue..
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Post by tinnie on Sept 25, 2006 15:57:11 GMT 10
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Post by sutcac on Sept 25, 2006 18:06:11 GMT 10
???Has anyone seen earlee lately?? I bloody well have! He rocked up at the all Holden day yesterday arvo and snuck up and took some foters of sillybuggaz guessing game caravan. Yes!!!!!Sutcac is sillybuggaz!!!The game's over. ;D Thanks to everyone who participated. I made it too easy i reckon when I gave the very first clue stating that the van slept 4 in 2 doubles without folding the table down. All you guys who intimated that that it could have been a folding van of some type were absolutely correct. How did we end up with it? Well... We decided we wanted a sunliner but couldn't find one, so Mrs Sutcac puts a wanted ad in the local paper. Then Spider and Humpty get on to a sunny in Newcastle and we slipped down and picked her up. No sooner had we arrived home when the phone rings and old mate responds to our wanted ad with "box on wheels that folds out". Needless to say, couldn't resist it, now we own 2 vintage vans. Dilmemna time, which one to take to Coldale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The van itself is number 4 of 5 built by Mr Ken Scharf in Melbourne during the 60's at his fathers Prestige Furniture Factory. Each van was an improvement on its predecessor. This van was first registered in 1969. We've given her a lick of paint inside and out, thrown some new lino down, and up she's bobbed, good as gold. ;D ;D ;D Ken was a keen duck shooter and built his vans for this purpose. He also was responsible for the design and manufacture of some of the earliest duck plucking machines and portable fridge/freezers. The van weighs 500kgs and measures 2300 x 1900 unfolded. It has been towed around Australia twice and kept uncover since new. Hence its longevity. And what do you know Reddo- she's all bondwood mate Here's a few pics. Cheers, Cldye and Barb (aka sillybuggaz/ sutcac)
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Post by earlee on Sept 25, 2006 20:00:50 GMT 10
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Post by hwyman on Sept 25, 2006 20:27:35 GMT 10
That's a beaut set up you have there sutcac may i ask the size of the sleeping area ? I wouldn't mind the plans for one of those. probably not patened either with only 5 made its like the next step up from a propert! I want one.
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Post by sutcac on Sept 25, 2006 23:26:41 GMT 10
Hi Earlee, the Sunliner is stripped down ready for sanding back in preparation for repainting inside and out. Bit of a freshen up with new lino,table,cushion covers,curtains,LCD 15" T.V.!!!!!New annex etc ,etc.
Roll on Coledale!!!!!!!!!!!!
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