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Post by atefooterz on Dec 27, 2014 0:16:50 GMT 10
G`Day, i am of the classic owner tribe, same username on the sister site. I have a 16foot Franklin Arrow "w" prefix says 75 i believe, sold as a 76 & now registered as a 1977 model.. don`t ask haha! I am looking to sign up for Adelaide Nats & after some display advice, sadly on the classic site we seem more into parts & repair/ restoration, than display. I am sure that any other Arrows, that may attend, will be restored as period or rebuilt to suit owners purpose. With mine it is a paddck find i guess, for description, previous owner removed the ceiling kitchen cupboards Now hidden by just lino & also rear lower panels, for the main it has very good timber interior & original groved painted trim plus original bamboo theme curtains & green seat squabs,original lino has wear spots & rear carpet looks very 90s. My question is should i remove the lino to ceiling area trim & clean up these original zones to show original construction plus anodised flip side of the alloy skin? To my way of thinking showing a work in progress is a more worthwhile thing to do than not attend until my van is perfect, be it restored or sanitized to modern taste & appliances. To fit out the interior with a few time period things do they need to be bolted down? or are show goers reasonable types, i was thinking old magazines small trinkets & such, that sadly in this day and age are waay to portable.
I am also after any history of the bamboo patterns from the mid to late 1970s, online seems empty from the usual searches i have done. When i was an apprentice printer we started doing some promotional material for such patterns, the theory was that it was bold enough to look "modern" and appeal to the younger groovy types while being smart and "with it"for the newly marrieds while not offending the "wrinkliies" While many items sold it was not the magical "generation gap" bridging iconic style everyone was after and soon replaced by punk for the youngsters and a mix of retro ( 1940s-60s) or the early adopters of the minalmist neutrals/whites that seem to span waay to longa timeframe.
Happy old Year & best wishes as we head towards the new!
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Post by Roehm3108 on Dec 29, 2014 7:45:39 GMT 10
You've already offended the "wrinklies" by referring to them as just that!
The reason that the other site doesn't talk about display is because that's not what either site is about. We restore, we use, no matter at what point of restoration you're at. Swellwilly's Sunliner ended up on a TV show a few years back, when he had just started his renovation. You bring along your van in whatever state you feel comfortable with. There are no standards per se!
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Post by Geoff & Jude on Dec 29, 2014 7:57:25 GMT 10
You've already offended the "wrinklies" by referring to them as just that! hi ray i think you should have said "by referring to us as just that!", not them. geoff 'n jude |
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Post by atefooterz on Dec 29, 2014 10:29:42 GMT 10
Cheers Geoff & Jude plus Roehm3108. You do realise that i am sure in 1976, when this discussion and promos were being sorted, you were "not that word! " haha. I have started this topic as i feel newer owners need to be guided.
Many of the VV scene have been though or are actively involved with the car scene so quite used to show and tell and or concourse d`elegance enviroments. Conservitors now days routinely display articles as is, to show how something is preserved or has been updated/ repaired to suit the last owners use. ( or as rightly said above " whatever state you feel comfortable with") Remember i am trying to stimulate our classic scene to blend & compliment the Vintage one so what is very normal or routine appears to be a mind set hurdle for some CC folks, also if a van is registered and roadworthy then missing out on show & tell meet ups is crazy or never happening in the mind of a perfectionist restorer/ tinkerer. I have had many years travelling with home shows selling services and since 1990 been involved with the Historic sailing boat scene,both in build and display. While there are many classics around i can see a similar situation to say the HQ where between modifications & smash up derbies the remaining original ones soon become rare. So just as, over time, i notice various accepted themes for VV like betty boop etc, now is the time to start guiding folks towards some standards, that allow improvement yet capture the era of shag pile & bold colours. I am torn betwen carrying on with the bamboo theme, as it holds memories and many consumers were not aware of it, or going the full "puberty blues" as it is a fun era plus thanks to the show adopting a wide timeframe, to include music & various set cars plus fashions, our Classics should aim for more than just painting the damaged timber white/ neutrals as that is what is current and pleasing to some owners eyes?
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Post by Geoff & Jude on Dec 29, 2014 11:51:58 GMT 10
hi atefooterz
i think you may have misunderstood the intention of my reply.
i was intending to highlight the fact that i am now proudly one of the wrinklies, and not in any way offended by the term.
i've been on this rock long enough to realise that we are all different and each one of us has the right to do as we please, provided that it causes no-one else any harm or embarrassment.
how you do your van up is your business and i would only publicly comment on the result if i liked what i saw - if i didn't, i'd keep that to myself.
geoff 'n jude
ps. there's no reason you or anyone from the "classics" wouldn't be welcomed by me at the nationals or any other of our caravan events, regardless of your vans' condition - the more the merrier.
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Post by Roehm3108 on Dec 29, 2014 12:04:51 GMT 10
Ain't no wrinkles on me MrG. Won't happen till I get to cobber's age!!!!!
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Post by atefooterz on Dec 29, 2014 12:30:15 GMT 10
After i stopped being a teen i soon realised i was almost a wrinklie, by my 30s i relented. Nowadays i like to think of my self as a Schwartzkoph Nomad, as i am also in denial about the grey (gray) part LoLz!  EDIT: I appreciate what you guys are saying & in time you will see my sence of humour, tricky online as things can easily get misstaken, My main motivation is helping the newbies discover the joys of show & tell, i would also argue that one or two threads here or on CV site, about display, can only compliment the banter, i am sure that as many cross over & meet up around the place much is not posted, however todays shy lurkers may just be the collectors and proud show & tellers of tomorrow. |
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Post by Geoff & Jude on Dec 29, 2014 13:05:49 GMT 10
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Post by foxy on Dec 29, 2014 16:13:15 GMT 10
Hi Jeff & Jude
It appears you have been reading" How to Win Friends and Influence People"
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Post by Roehm3108 on Dec 29, 2014 20:27:40 GMT 10
The next thing after display/show and tell is that it starts to become competitive and then people will have trophies for best themed/best paint job/best black and white checked floor or whatever, which was not the reason this site was started. Let people find their own levels of interest without trying to be too directive or prescriptive.
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Post by atefooterz on Dec 29, 2014 23:25:16 GMT 10
The next thing after display/show and tell is that it starts to become competitive and then people will have trophies for best themed/best paint job/best black and white checked floor or whatever, which was not the reason this site was started. Let people find their own levels of interest without trying to be too directive or prescriptive. Exactly it should be about creating what you want to go camping in, remember many of you guys have been doing this stuff for over a decade and more, so if it aint broke it certainly will not need fixing. On the other hand there is not much difference pondering and asking questions and being pointed to various threads of pics that show and tell what a vanatic has/ is doing! Lucky noone does prizes or trophies for best thread |
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Post by atefooterz on Feb 5, 2015 10:12:20 GMT 10
Only a few weeks away from my first show & tell at the SA Caravan & Camping Expo, i am hunting for prizes to hand out for various catagories!!  I think i deserve one for free camping non stop since August 2014, with no modifications from factory specs, to my "Belmontish like " 1975 Franklin Arrow". Viva the AA & AAA powered LED lights. Total to date 6x AAA ( 3 replaced in December) & 4 x AA = still going since 15th December Woolies find of 2 table lamps. Now do i make a short video to loop on a monitor screen or go old school & get some snaps inkjetted mounted & laminated onto boards? |
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Post by atefooterz on Feb 12, 2015 12:59:10 GMT 10
After being inspired by Cobber, i decided to replace the 30+ or so, rusting el cheapo tech bronze plated screws, around the exterior of van. Grabbing stainless or monel ones is not cheap however a local engineering- supplies store in Asquith was helpfull, ( Mitchells) Turns out his Dad built a very early alloy van but did not patent or go into production so he & his wife were musing about a family fortune oppourtunity lost . What i was wondering is in previous replica or restoration things, i have been involved with, meant that the slot will be horizontal or vertical & packing the hole to ensure this look. My Franklin has 99% of the slot heads at a 45degree facing right look, is that a Franklin thing or previous owners tightening stuff? Does anyone have an idea of what should be shown for the original Factory look? Cheers
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Post by cobber on Feb 12, 2015 13:26:37 GMT 10
G'day atefooterz, There is a very informed  discussion about dressing slot head screws in the Tea Towel Rail thread ( where else would you expect to find it   ) Congratulations on showing 'you care'  Cobber. |
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Post by Franklin1 on Feb 12, 2015 16:39:34 GMT 10
Last year I scanned the following information out of a 1964 Home Beautiful magazine, and was going to get around to posting it into the Techo section, but here it is for a preview...  raym's info in the link cobber provided is a more thorough description though, for top level neatness. cheers, Al. |
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Post by akeepsake on Feb 12, 2015 17:26:13 GMT 10
After being inspired by Cobber, i decided to replace the 30+ or so, rusting el cheapo tech bronze plated screws, around the exterior of van. Grabbing stainless or monel ones is not cheap however a local engineering- supplies store in Asquith was helpfull, ( Mitchells) Turns out his Dad built a very early alloy van but did not patent or go into production so he & his wife were musing about a family fortune oppourtunity lost . What i was wondering is in previous replica or restoration things, i have been involved with, meant that the slot will be horizontal or vertical & packing the hole to ensure this look. My Franklin has 99% of the slot heads at a 45degree facing right look, is that a Franklin thing or previous owners tightening stuff? Does anyone have an idea of what should be shown for the original Factory look? Cheers Rule of thumb, Southern Hemisphere: slot heads face North/south Northern Hemisphere: slot heads fauce South/North Equater: slot heads face East/ west |
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Post by cobber on Feb 12, 2015 18:07:12 GMT 10
[quote source="/post/114707/thread" timestamp="1423709950" author="@ Rule of thumb, Southern Hemisphere: slot heads face North/south Northern Hemisphere: slot heads fauce South/North Equater: slot heads face East/ west [/quote] The thumb rules 
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Post by Jennison on Feb 12, 2015 20:46:15 GMT 10
Slot head Bob is not amused!
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Post by atefooterz on Feb 12, 2015 23:20:36 GMT 10
On the CC forum a former Franklin employee Bryan said they always did them that way... i am trying to discover if he means the 45degree bizzo then for the sake of that factory look then that is that! I usually go horizonatl for the horizontal areas & verticle for the verticles, just an old coachbuilding thing some retired bloke from Park Ward Coachbuilders muttered about one day, similar look on heritage skiffs & boats as well. |
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I think i deserve one for free camping non stop since August 2014, with no modifications from factory specs, to my "Belmontish like " 1975 Franklin Arrow". Viva the AA & AAA powered LED lights. Total to date 6x AAA ( 3 replaced in December) & 4 x AA = still going since 15th December Woolies find of 2 table lamps. Now do i make a short video to loop on a monitor screen or go old school & get some snaps inkjetted mounted & laminated onto boards?
discussion about dressing slot head screws in the 
