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Post by cobber on Jul 3, 2010 13:37:17 GMT 10
In NSW..... This is the relevant document that the “Blue Slip Man” should be using when he inspects your vintage caravan...Automotive Information Sheet # 24 (AIS 24), version 24:05 revised April 1992. It relates to trailers (caravans) first registered before 1st July 1990. (read it carefully because there are often different requirements for 'vans built before 1987..... that is our 'vans ) REMEMBER IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN KEEPING YOUR VAN ORIGINAL THE AUTHORITIES WON'T BE INTERESTED IN ALLOWING YOU TO DODGE CURRENT REGULATIONS. Similar rules apply in Victoria... they can be seen by clicking on these links.VSI # 9 …. again read it carefully because there are concessions for 'vans built prior to 1973. www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsi9.ashx?la=en VSI # 24.... regarding tow couplings (read note 1 on page 2). www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/~/media/files/documents/safety-and-road-rules/vsi24.ashx?la=en Now...... the NSW rules. Page 1  Page 2  Page 3  Page 4  Page 5  Page 6  Page 7  Page 8  Page 9  Page 10  Page 11  Page 12  Page 13  Page 14  page 15  Page 16  Page 17  Page 18  Cobber. |
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Post by Don Ricardo on Jul 3, 2010 20:04:32 GMT 10
Hi all, Cobber has started to post a useful document above regarding what is required concerning lights, etc, to register pre-1990 caravans in NSW. This indicates that there are some exemptions/concessions available for vans built before 1 July 1990 and additional concessions available for vans built before 1986 and/or 1987. The question of what changes, if any, to lights, brakes and tow hitches are required to register vintage caravans in different states of Australia comes up regularly on the forum, so I have 'sticky-ed' this thread near to the top of the Technical section so that enquirers can be easily referred to it. Hopefully, Cobber will no doubt fulfill his promise to post the rest of the booklet,  and if other people have documentation for what is required in other states, then it would be helpful if it could be posted on this thread as well (even if it is already posted somewhere else on the forum). Don Ricardo |
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Post by cobber on Jul 4, 2010 19:50:58 GMT 10
G'day Don R, Thanks for noticing this thread and pinning it. It is a rather lengthy document...18 pages... some of it is not relevant to vintage caravans so it has to be read carefully to see when certain requirements don't necessarily apply to us. I still don't like the bit on page 14 that says couplings must be branded with the name of its manufacturer etc. The RTA insists that all couplings from the beginning of time had these markings... but as we know many unique couplings from the vintage days had no markings on them but they are still very serviceable and safe...... so why chuck 'em   . Cobber. |
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Post by Geoff & Jude on Jul 4, 2010 20:27:21 GMT 10
I still don't like the bit on page 14 that says couplings must be branded with the name of its manufacturer etc. The RTA insists that all couplings from the beginning of time had these markings... but as we know many unique couplings from the vintage days had no markings on them but they are still very serviceable and safe...... so why chuck 'em the rta (or the person you're talking to) may be ill-informed. marvin's coupling (shown below) is a one-off that was home made and passed original registration requirements in the 50's and also passed blue slip in about 2007 and was never branded with the name of its manufacturer or the towing capacity..    i believe that like cars, a vintage van will only need to comply with the laws that existed when it was manufactured and that the rta or inspector would have to prove otherwise. don't be told what to do by bullies who only think they know what they're talking about - show them they're wrong, alan did.. geoff |
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Post by cobber on Jul 4, 2010 20:54:07 GMT 10
G'day Geoff, Exactly the point I'm making... problem is, did you have a look at page 14, it's there in writing, and you have to find a brave "blue slip man" who will ignore the written word  The RTA bloke I have been speaking to is on our side ( he emailed the AIS 24 document to me so I could show it to the BSM who wanted me to put reflectors all over the side of the Swamp van and a tyre size plate on the door ) but..... when it comes to the tow coupling the RTA bloke won't shift, must have markings on it....... not a big problem really  This AIS 24 I have posted is version 24:05.... revised April 1992. I would like to get hold of version 24: 01.... I reckon it might say something different. Cobber |
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Post by cobber on Jul 13, 2010 10:24:01 GMT 10
Here's a bit I have extracted from this NSW Government web site....... The bold highlight is my doing This I think indicates an acknowledgment that couplings made before 1963 were not legally required to have markings on them. 166 Drawbar couplings (1) A coupling for attaching a trailer, except a semi-trailer or pole-type trailer, to a towing vehicle must be built and fitted so that: (a) the coupling is equipped with a positive locking mechanism, and (b) the positive locking mechanism can be released regardless of the angle of the trailer to the towing vehicle. (2) A coupling fitted to a trailer first registered on or after 1 August 1963 must have clearly and permanently stamped, moulded or otherwise branded on its main component: (a) means of identifying its manufacturer, and (b) the maximum gross weight of the trailer it is designed to tow. (3) If the trailer is in a combination and is not fitted with break-away brakes in accordance with clause 141 (3), it must be connected to the towing vehicle by at least 1 chain, cable or other flexible device, as well as the coupling required by subclause (1). (4) Any such safety connection must be as short as practicable and be so connected and affixed that: (a) it is not liable to accidental disconnection but is readily detachable from the towing vehicle, and (b) it permits all normal angular movements of the coupling without more slack than is necessary, and (c) it will prevent the forward end of the drawbar from striking the ground in the event of accidental disconnection of the coupling, and (d) if it consists of more than one chain or wire rope, the chains or wire ropes are in a crossed-over position. (5) Any chain or wire rope in such a safety connection must: (a) if a chain, be of welded iron links, and (b) if a wire rope, have a strength of at least that of a chain of the same diameter, and (c) be of a size specified in the following table: Table Gross weight of trailer Minimum size of chain or wire rope Up to 500 kilograms 6.3 millimetres diameter Exceeding 500 kilograms but not exceeding 1.3 tonnes 9.5 millimetres diameter Exceeding 1.3 tonnes 12.6 millimetres diameter Cobber. |
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Post by Geoff & Jude on Jul 13, 2010 11:32:46 GMT 10
hi cobber
i just read through that document - an interesting read.
this also caught my eye.
"Part 11 Other matters
180 Restored vehicles
For the purposes of this Schedule, a restored vehicle is taken to have been built when it was originally built and not when it was restored."
thanks for the link.
geoff 'n jude
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Post by cobber on Oct 4, 2010 19:07:10 GMT 10
G'day Brewer, The AIS # 24 and the Vehicle Inspector's Bulletin # 03 both talk about Unladen weight the way I read them. Thing is ….. on the first page of the Vehicle Inspector's Bulletin # 03 that you have given us a link to (which applies only to brakes) it states that “A trailer first registered before 1 July 1990 can be re-registered using the braking requirements as described in:
• Automotive Information Sheet (AIS) 24; (which is the one I posted top of the page) or
• VSB No.1.” I think we have the choice of complying with either AIS # 24 OR VSB #1....... AIS # 24 is the go if you want to stick with originality. Remember.... VIB's are bulletins sent to inspectors to remind them of what's what..... they often forget what what they have been told about years down the track. So when they try to tell those of us who want to keep our pre 1970 caravan original, that we have to conform to an ADR, you just have to point out (gently) that you only have to conform to AIS # 24. The VIB #03 you sited brewer is a good one to have with you if brakes are what is in dispute. ADR's are johnny come lately on the scene I think.. so I pretend they don't concern anything made pre 1970. Regarding lights... On page 7 of the AIS #24 it tells us only one tail light is required on 'vans made prior to Jan. 1986. Two brake lamps are required only on 'vans made after July 1987. The turn indicators on page 10 of the NSW AIS are a bit of a worry. If your 'van didn't have 'em and you don't want to drill holes in your van a “trailer board” is one way around the problem. What is annoying is the Vic VSI #9 categorically states "Trailers built before July 1973 do not require Direction Indicators The above is all guess work on my part so corrections are welcome Cobber. P.S. I fixed those Victorian links up. |
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Post by Alice Johnson on Feb 28, 2020 10:50:31 GMT 10
Thanks so much for the information supplied on the previous posts. Very useful as I have just imported a 1978 Eriba Triton into NSW Australia from the UK which is in original condition with off side opening door.
I feel confident that we can get her registered now. Will update you all with outcome.
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Post by matilda1978 on Feb 28, 2020 15:36:59 GMT 10
Hi everybody, just joined this club...your comments have been really helpful. Thank you.
Our 1978 Eriba Triton (imported from the UK) is having a Quarantine Inspection today (fingers crossed) but we are struggling to find a caravan engineer (around Sydney) who is qualified/experienced in issuing a Blue Slip for her as a Vintage Caravan. Is there anybody, anybody could suggest.
Thank you :-) :-)
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Post by Roehm3108 on Feb 29, 2020 10:00:30 GMT 10
I would have thought the Eriba Puck would weigh in at under 750kg. Here in Qld (and I think other states as well), that size is self-assessed and would therefore not require a blue slip.
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Post by aussieute on Mar 8, 2020 12:37:16 GMT 10
In Victoria didn't have to take the jennison roadcruser to Vic roads as it was under 750 kg just made appointment she didn't believe that it was that light till I showed photo and said it was made of masonite then no problems check with nsw roads what is required don't mention it is imported cheers chris
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Post by starburst on Mar 9, 2020 11:56:53 GMT 10
The 750kgm self assessment refers to the ATM (fully loaded weight) not the Tare.
Also VicRoads (and maybe other state authorities?) will need to sight the import documents if the caravan has never been registered in Aus - they mention that on the light trailer rego application form.
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