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Post by RollyDog on Oct 19, 2009 20:32:30 GMT 10
I started this as the 15th event to run after Phargan's 14th down south but see that event is confirmed at 5th March. April is not so good with public holidays and Easter etc. so have confirmed that early February is good for Mudjimba on the Sunshine Coast.
Date is now Friday 5th to Sunday 7th February at Mudjimba just north of Maroochydore. As per previous this will be a normal weekend up the coast against the media hype we had this year.
This is the sister park to Seabreeze so Greg will once again be our host and able to group our vans together. Apparently the beach is across the road and this time of year will be perfect to hit the sand. Back across at Maroochydore will be the Saturday markets and garage sales for the ladies.I'll be up the coast at the end of the month so will try and get some photos but if anyone is keen let me know so we can get some numbers organised as it is only 3 1/2 months till this one.
Rollydog
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Post by neilncheryl on Oct 19, 2009 21:29:56 GMT 10
Hi Rollydog
You can count us in
Neil & Cheryl
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Post by ronmcgr on Oct 20, 2009 6:00:32 GMT 10
Count us in! We are holding an Australian Caravan Club branch meeting in the same park from the 12th to the 15th of Feb ;D Ill just go earlier and take the Jaguar and Arrow (should be finished by then)  Cheers, Ron Currently in Finley, NSW |
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Post by RollyDog on Oct 20, 2009 13:43:29 GMT 10
Ron
I heard there were a few things happening at the park that month so this seems to be the best date, especially as now you get a reason to go for longer. Look forward to seeing the Arrow.
Rod G.
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Post by anglia46 on Oct 22, 2009 19:55:42 GMT 10
yes OB and LYN WILL BE THERE what is the phone number to book please
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Post by RollyDog on Oct 23, 2009 0:59:03 GMT 10
Mudjimba Caravan Park phone numbers are
07) 5448 7157 Freecall 1800 461 475
Book in under name and Vintage Caravans so that Greg can keep us together.
Rollydog
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Post by anglia46 on Oct 23, 2009 9:34:31 GMT 10
just rang greg at mudjimba and he said just book with ROD and you will give him numbers,so what is it please so we can book
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Post by RollyDog on Oct 23, 2009 21:56:30 GMT 10
I'll book a number of sites together and create a list.
I guess it makes it easier for them but hopefully I'll get up there on Sunday week and claim some prime sites and go from there.
If anyone is interested let me know so I can give them rough numbers but I won't group the vans in type this time. Next booking gets next site unless you have any special requirements such as near the ameneties, or next to someone else etc.
Rollydog
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Post by dosse on Oct 25, 2009 12:13:29 GMT 10
G'day All The dosse's will be there too  don't care where we are placed in the park  .....As long as it is next to Banno & Joey's van...........Hey Hey come on... it's got nothing to do with the pancake's  ; dosse . |
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Post by talisman on Oct 25, 2009 18:11:46 GMT 10
Hello Rolly Dog, We would like two sites please ,preferably together.Any thoughts at this stage on catering etc?
Richard and Pam.
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Post by RollyDog on Oct 25, 2009 21:02:50 GMT 10
I don't know too much about the area up at this park yet except that there are good facilities on site and the park has been reccomended by others. I'll be up the coast next Saturday night so hope to get down there on Sunday morning and get some photos and further info.
Rollydog
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Post by JBJ on Oct 26, 2009 10:58:12 GMT 10
Hi Rolly Dog,
What happened to our Democracy in this group???
Phargans event was suggested for the time you nominated, previous to yours.
That gives his precedence. Members were interested in it, then you steamroller in with this Sunshine coast one.
Last time we were at the Sunshine Coast this year, you nominated this event you are now trying to put on. I understood from the general consesus I received from members, That most didnt want it in the same area so soon.
I also proposed an event at Casino in Beef Week, May this year. Many of us had discussed this over the last 6 months.
It would be nothing like the type of event Phargan proposed, which would a similar event to Neurem Creek I understand.
When you proposed this event first time, I told you we are not interested in regularly going to the Sunshine Coast, so we will NOT be attending.
Do the members want to split the group into a northern & souther section, because if one event that was preplanned without general discussion is allowed to take precedence over another that has been legitimately suggested & discussions commenced, in our normal fashion here, that will happen.
Phargans probably to nice a guy to get upset over this, but I'm not going to stand back & let what is our traditional style of event selection be steamrollered.
I believe the event proposed by Phargan should be discussed with the aim of it being our next event after Canungra, like he proposed. I also believe it should be the only one in jan/feb 1910 like originally proposed. I also believe, that as the Casino event I suggested in May 1010 is not long after that, that it should be discussed as all events are.
A democracy works that way. NOT any 1 person doing it on his own. ITS NOT A CLUB, & no one has the right to decide anything other than as a group decision.
JBJ
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Post by Roehm3108 on Oct 26, 2009 12:48:10 GMT 10
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSS  The last thing I would want to see happen is for this group to split apart, or be faced with the problem of divided loyalties. Not knowing what prior discussions there may have been, I can't comment about the democratic proces in this event. But the point you make JBJ is valid. My two bobs worth in this is the question "are we having events too close together?". My itinerary for the first half of next year is a bit up in the air, due to going interstate, so it's no skin off my nose, but perhaps we do need to consider the frequency question, otherwise we may end up getting sick of each other because of the "Obligation" to go to events! As most know, I generally don't go to events where dogs aren't allowed - that's my choice. Plus other things have clashed when an event was on. Doesn't mean I don't like going and meeting with other v/vanners. But i have the freedom to go to those events that suit me and my timetable. Wonder if there is room for "official democratically agreed upon" weekends and "unofficial" ones? Sutcac had his "unofficial" run out west this year, which didn't offend anyone and those that wanted to, went. Don't think anyone was offended by it. Maybe weekends at a particular place of interest to one member, with an invitation for others to join can still work? They could be designated "official" and "unofficial". Just a thought Ray |
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Post by ronmcgr on Oct 26, 2009 13:28:01 GMT 10
JBJ,
Maybe you should think about what you write and re read it before you are posting it!
Comments like yours could easily spit any group!
Ron
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Post by JBJ on Oct 26, 2009 15:08:37 GMT 10
Hi Ron & Ray,
I thought long & hard about what I said. If my comments split people from the group, so be it. We have grown into a large group based on the principles in deciding our get togethers that I'm defending.
One of the reasons we have been a group with a lot of successful events is that everything was discussedon the Forum , & over the phone by several of the group that wanted to be involved in the decision making.
Sure lots of events dont suit everyone & people attend only those they can & want to attend. Lots of us, including myself, have missed runs that havent suited . That will, & should, always happen.
But you missed my point about sequence of events, & decisions about runs made by one person.
Sure Sutcac decided on his run, & had it . BUT it wasnt at the same time in the same group of people as another event already proposed.
IF it had been I would have said the same things, as it would have been splitting our group.
If I didnt want to go to Sunshine coast, or Neereum Creek(say), then made the decision on my own to have an event in (say) Ballina, or Byron Bay, on the same weekend, & promoted that event, that would be splitting the group.
If none of us, including yourselves, offer opinion & comments, how does anything eventuate??
Does the Forum become the domain of a single dominant person, or the attempts of one to impose on another.
I think not. Because I said what I believe, I dont expect anyone to neccessarily agree with me, just express your opinion & see what the majority wants to happen.
But some guidelines & principles must be retained when organising events (I hate that term, but it is reasonably practical) We used to call our functions get togethers. We have been spontaneous up to now.
The only get togethers I have heard that members want to repeat regularly to date, are Neereum Creek, & Canungra's Christmas in November.
If you consider that we are really limited to about 5 or 6 get togethers each year thru time constraints alone, then it needs to be considered whether we want to add more regular get togethers in repeat places to that list, thus removing more opportunity for spontanaity.
There will always be things like out of area functions, like Coledale, the vintage van nationals previously held in South Australia twice, & a large number of others that we are always welcome to attend.
During our recent trip to Coledale, many NSW regular forum members expressed amazement & envy at the diversity & number of get togethers we have. They dont have that activity, as they have largely gotten into a routine of regularity to an extent, without much input into functions by the majority of members.
I'd hate to see our group become stagnant, & allow any particular person (including myself) or group dominate what we do.
BUT if everyone disagrees with me , thats OK by me. At least I will have contributed to the decision making. If no one asks the question, nothing gets answered.
We then may as well be driving white imported 4 wheel drives towing boring white caravans that all look the same.
Not this little black duck.
JBJ
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Post by ronmcgr on Oct 26, 2009 16:23:19 GMT 10
We then may as well be driving white imported 4 wheel drives towing boring white caravans that all look the same. Not this little black duck. JBJ JBJ, I resemble that remark ;D Surely many events can be run throughout the year, in different areas, that may suit those who live locally? I know it will disadvange some, but you cannot please everyone. I realize you don't like heading north to often as you have stated that before. If you ran a get together at Casino at the same time or close to it, people could then choose which one they would like to attend and some may actually do both. In the Australian Caravan Club we have four branches in QLD who all do there own thing and hold musters every second month. They try to not hold musters at the exact same time, so others can join in from other ACC branches. In October each year, the ACC hold an annual muster, this time it was in Mildura, which I have just returned from. There were 260 odd people at it and it was great success. Surely the VV can do similar activities, in their own areas, "run by one person" with people travelling from one to another as they choose. I cannot see that it is really anything to get upset about. If people cannot attend, it will just be a small group. If some one arranged another a week later, those who are "idle and retired", can travel. As you already hold an annual function, that is also an ideal time for everyone to get together and I hope I can make it. Cheers, Ron |
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Post by JBJ on Oct 26, 2009 16:33:56 GMT 10
Hi Ron.
We dont really have an annual function. There have been 2 at Neereum Creek at about the same time of year, & Canungra will be our second there at about the same time.
WE ARE NOT a club. That is the whole point I'm trying to get across. As such it has worked good , & after talking to a lot of us , Most want to keep it as it is.
I dont believe its fair to have to decide which event to go to, if two or more are on at the same time.
I'm also realising my point isnt achieving anything, so if the Sunshine Coast event happens the same time as Phargans suggested event, I'll promote his event at Wadeville at the same weekend.
Itused to be all fun
JBJ
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Post by JBJ on Oct 26, 2009 17:16:36 GMT 10
Hi Banno,
Phargans event was proposed to be in late January/earlyFebruary, & was proposed FIRST.
THATS what I'm concerned about, & why I'm bashing my head against the wall.
The event I proposed in May is totally different, in a different town. Thats not part of the problem. It would be discussed & accepted/rejected in due time.
JBJ
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Post by ronmcgr on Oct 26, 2009 17:27:34 GMT 10
We is keen to go where ever there is an event that we can get to. Banno I'll drink to that ;D I really don't see a problem in any of it Cheers, Ron |
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Post by RollyDog on Oct 26, 2009 17:59:19 GMT 10
Ray
As I have 3 dogs of my own I appreciate the chance to taken them away and will take my oldest to Cunungra as this may be her last year however as we have found more venues are now reluctant to take dogs so it will be inevitable that we have events at desirable locations due to location and facilities etc where dogs aren't allowed. I have heard alot about Jack and look forward to seeing him on a trip as with a few projects being sorted I hope to get away more often in 2010.
Rollydog.
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Post by RollyDog on Oct 26, 2009 18:46:01 GMT 10
JBJ
During your public criticism on this forum of my beleifs and intentions after the Maroochydore event you also reiterated your dislike of travelling to the sunshine coast so I had not expected to see you there. With the most recent events however being Tallabudgera, Cunungra and then Pauls event south of the border we should also consider the group is SEQ- South East Queensland - not South of Brisbane and as we have found February/March is an ideal time to enjoy the sun and beaches of the Sunshine Coast.
I suggested this event back in February and some members (of course not yourself) were in favour as we are not visiting the same park/venue each time but venturing a little further to experience different locations. Over the past few months I consulted several other members prior to listing this and they were still in favour as it will be 12 months since our last venture up the coast. I have great respect for Paul aka Phargan as he is like me, one of the few who chose a British vehicle as a tow vehicle and it was my liking for his Hunter Minore that I hunted for a teardrop replacment and found the Munro.
In this regard Phargan's event was proposed for January/February as the 14th SEQ event and with your event in May I proposed the 15th SEQ event for March/April so that we could capture the sunshine coast sun. The 14th event then changed to mid March (see the date I proposed this )which left a gap from late November until then for an event ie most of Summer. I then deleted my posts for the 15th and proposed the 13.5 event for Mudjimba with the dates being over a month apart and some distance apart so we have a variation of what direction we travel hence I would not consider this a "steamroller " action. It was as previously stated proposed after speaking with several other members who were in favour. Further, this event has been listed for over a week and a pm or phone call from any member who was concerned about this would have had me reconsider my proposal. On the now two occasions I have suggested events I have proposed the date and venue and run with what the group was happy with. No one is obligated to travel to every event but the important thing is that when we do go we sit down, have a drink and enjoy the good company of friends we have met who share our common interest.- Vintage Caravans. If you have a problem with me please contact me by PM or phone so that lengthy posts like this are not necessary and our posts are light hearted and enjoyable like our weekends away.
Rod G aka rollydog
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Post by talisman on Oct 26, 2009 18:53:58 GMT 10
Democracy? Hold on Dennis, in your post you state that Rolly Dog suggested this during the Sunshine Coast event, perhaps as an annual event similar to Coledale, Canungra,etc.He also says that it was his intention to have it after Phargans get together but the date obviously moved considerably from Phargans first thoughts which opened up a window he could use.If you wanted to do something for Beef Week why didnt you put it up on the site for consideration?Why limit the number of suggestions put up,we all obviously cannot attend every event and will decide which we choose to attend depending on our own personal circumstances.To quote from your post "no one has the right to decide anything other than as a group decision" yet you are putting pressure on everyone else to conform with your thoughts.So as far as I am concerned, if anybody has an idea for a gathering run it up the flag pole and see what response you get. Thats democracy Richard.
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Post by JBJ on Oct 26, 2009 19:16:03 GMT 10
Hi ,
Ive sent you a PM. Hopefully you might understand my point of view.
The date of Phargans suggestion DID NOT change to May, which was a different event that I suggested after many discussions with others. It appears a lot of you misunderstood this. There were 2 TOTALLY different proposals.
This is rapidly degenerating into a Sh** Fight, which was never intended from my part. If all you newer members want to change the way the SE Qld group decide our functions, thats OK with me.
I'll accept the majority decision, Which from the emails & messages I've received is in agreeance with my arguement based on our previous style of management.
I'm happy to do my own thing anytime. I appreciate the input to come, & accept the need to discuss this point as I raised it.
Anyone is welcome to PM me or email me, & I'll discuss it further. If you dont defend principles, you may as well live in a dictatorship, which thankfully we dont.
JBJ
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Post by Roehm3108 on Oct 26, 2009 21:59:59 GMT 10
Rod
I choose not to go to gatherings where dogs aren't allowed because Jack hates kennels. He had his 14th birthday in June, survived a hanging, paralysis tick, stomach cancer and even a bite infection from another dog in that time, so I try to avoid stressing him too much in his latter years. When he finally does go to God, I will have a whole new world of adventures to enjoy that are different to what I do now, but I'm quite happy to wait till that happens! ;D ;D ;D
See you at Canungra!
Ray
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Post by RollyDog on Oct 26, 2009 22:36:09 GMT 10
Ray
Maybe our old dogs will have a few tales to tell among themselves. Olive the sharpei (Rolly dog) turns 11 on the 11th of the 11th and has been my special dog since day one. From being a show dog to raising money for charity to just being the way she is I can appreciate your feelings for Jack and the thought of a kennel is no for me. I have two other sharpei but after a situation with Olive last year I want to give her some more special times herself. Look forward to catching up at Cunungra.
Rod G
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