Post by sportsman 1 on Sept 10, 2018 10:31:58 GMT 10
it is a bit hard to see on the pictures you have but for mine the general side profile and the apparent shape of the wheelarch it appears to be the same as the one as advertised in the Adelaide Pink Pages.
This ad does indeed seem to be a picture of the same van as Clipper were producing. I have not heard of any connection between Globe and Clipper but???
Last Edit: Sept 10, 2018 12:40:45 GMT 10 by sportsman 1
Post by Don Ricardo on Sept 10, 2018 17:28:05 GMT 10
Yes, a bit of a puzzle, eh? I agree the van in the Victorian Globe advert does look much more like a Clipper than a South Australian Globe - very different to the shapes of the Globes we are familiar with, but it does have the braced A-frame and the Globe style flash. I guess the last point doesn't mean much, but the braced A-frame probably means more. There are only a few manufacturers that employed that kind of bracing (and off the top of my head they were all South Australian manufacturers too I think).
The only Globe that I could find that is close to it is the one found by Harriet. Looking at Harriet's photos by themselves has always made me doubt that his van is a Globe because of the shape, but then Harriet found the Globetrotter logo on it, so it's a bit hard to dismiss that evidence!
Post by Don Ricardo on May 30, 2019 16:47:46 GMT 10
Welcome to the forum, and thanks for telling us about your van.
As you'll see I've reinstalled the photos for you. Hope that's ok? I see that you had a go at posting most of them from OneDrive, but they didn't display. I'm still trying to work out how to post photos using links from OneDrive and Dropbox. Theoretically they should work, because the URL addresses work in a search bar, but that is a mystery still to be solved...
A bit like your caravan - a mystery still to be solved! There was a bit of discussion about your van in November 2016. You can read what was said here. At that stage nobody had suggested that it might be a Globe, so it will be interesting to see what people think about that. Personally, my feeling is that it isn't a Globe for a few reasons, including the little 'lip' under the rear of the van from the side (late model Globes had a similar lip but only at the front, and a rounded shape underneath at the rear), the unusual drawbar, and the internal fittings which are quite "frilly". Regarding the 'lips', South Austrlian Clipper vans had the lips both front and rear, and seemingly produced some unusual designs at times, so maybe that's another possibility we should look at.
Regarding the build date, the bulkhead over the front windows would suggest a 60's date, and the style of aluminium windows weren't introduced until about 1957 or 58. The style of cladding was introduced in 1964, but 2sneezles (who restored the van) told us that the cladding was put over bondwood, so that probably doesn't help us much. However, the unusual roof treatment at the rear reflects a trend of caravan manufacturers in the early 60's to experiment with unusual, futuristic design features. So all up I'm guessing early 60's for your van. The porthole windows don't help us date the van very much, because they were used by quite a few manufacturers over about a 15-20 year period from 1948 on.
That's my thoughts, but can you show us a photo of the serial number you've found? That might help us with an ID.
Thanks Don for the reply - sorry it's taken a while to respond.
The main things that pointed me to thinking it was a Globe was the positioning of the two round windows and the kitchen sink cabinetry which is almost identical to the green one of @franklin1. But I agree, the windows and the front bulkhead dont look right, unless its somewhere between the early models and the later ones with the wrap around front windows and bulkhead, and someone got creative with the rear lip, which is a bit similar to the eave over the rear lip of the later ones, like jezza4all
Chassis number is a bit hard to see from the picture, but it looks like RCGY1976. maybe that will point us in a different direction. The hitch has been elongated.
Post by Don Ricardo on Jun 19, 2019 23:00:02 GMT 10
Your van is definitely an intriguing puzzle, isn’t it - but if we keep working on it, we may be able to find the answer. A few thoughts...
Regarding the placement of the porthole windows, I think that’s not unusual. Porthole windows were often placed around those locations by manufacturers that used them.
You mention the kitchen cabinetry being similar to the photos of the green van posted by Franklin1, however I’m not quite sure which van you mean because Franklin posted photos of quite a few Globe vans on this thread (he was one of the people who contributed a lot to these threads in the Down History Lane section). Do you mean the one that was found by forum member Harriet? If it’s not that one, can you provide me with some extra identification so that I can work out which van you are referring to (maybe tell me the date of the post).
By the ‘lips’, I am referring to the little notches towards each end of the floorline of the van. That feature has sometimes been useful for identifying some makes of van. As I mentioned, some Globe models had a ‘lip’ at the front of the van, but not at the rear. However, your van has ‘lips’ at both front and rear. Some seemingly unimportant styling features like that can be the key to identifying some vans.
As you can see from the photos on this thread, in the 60’s Globe did include a roofline which overhung the rear window (to provide some screening from the sun?). The design of the ‘overhang’ is different from yours, but you can see see how one might have developed from the other. On the Globes the overhand is normally ‘buttressed’ on the sides.
Interesting about the serial number on the drawbar being ‘RCGY1976’. That number format doesn’t match any Globe serial number we’ve seen, or the serial number I’ve seen for any other brand either. I wonder if it is a made up number that has been put on to get the van reregistered when it was refurbished at some point, perhaps 2sneezles when they restored the van. The number almost looks like a set of initials and a date (perhaps someone’s birth year?).
As you will see from a couple of posts higher up this thread, Globe seems to have branded quite a lot of the fittings on their vans - coupling, window frames, etc. It might be worth poking around your van to see if you can see any Globe branding on anything. If it turns out there is, that would be a major step towards working out the vans origins.