pergs
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Post by pergs on Nov 2, 2014 15:51:43 GMT 10
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Post by DC3Td on Nov 2, 2014 17:48:44 GMT 10
Gday Pergs & welcome.Good looking van & even better you`ve put up relevant pics for those in the know to advise you of year model etc.Looks like you`ve got track & clips for an annex to be fastened to also. I`d replace that X headed screw for a rivet or slot head screw in the patent tag before you feel the might from our carniverous Cobber. gordon
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Post by cobber on Nov 2, 2014 18:36:34 GMT 10
G'day pergs, Looks like a nice tidy Wayfarer you've scored, when you say you've looked at existing info I assume you've discovered the Wayfarer thread in DHL Don't worry about those Phillip head screws, it's a known fact that the phillips head screw co. employed a new sales person in Australia in the early 1960 with instructions to donate, free of charge, Phillips head screws to caravan manufactures who would accept them, some did
Cobber
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Post by Aussie on Nov 2, 2014 18:52:59 GMT 10
Welcome to the forum pergs! Seems you've picked up a pretty tidy little unit mate, well done! If you cant find the info your chasing here, it's time to sell up lol. Welcome again. Oh, and when i was introduced to VV's i had to go out to buy a flat blade bit for my cordless drill..lol who owns flat blade bits?
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Post by pergs on Nov 2, 2014 19:29:38 GMT 10
Thanks Guys, has some water damage in the front right and rear right which will need some work and new sheeting inside.
DC3Td, yes has come with annex to fit into tracks, the bag needs some attention though, will need to visit local canvas place to get repaired.
Cobber, yes found the wayfarer DHL thread, which has made me query the model details for mine, as 63 examples have the front corner windows and also the single rear window.
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Post by Don Ricardo on Nov 4, 2014 20:17:53 GMT 10
G'day Pergs,
A couple of comments in response to the questions you raised about the windows on your van.
First, Wayfarer was known as being creative and innovative in caravan design. When you look through all the photos of the Wayfarers shown on the forum (and there have been a lot!), there are almost as many different front and rear windows layouts as there are vans - not quite, but there are many variations which probably reflect Wayfarer's creativity.
Second, wrap around windows began to come in on some manufacturers' vans at the beginning of the 60's and even a bit before. However not all vans were built with wrap around windows even when particular manufacturers did start to use the wrap arounds on some of their vans. Some people probably still preferred the non-wrap around models, or the non-wrap around vans may have been the cheaper models.
So the lack of wrap arounds on your van don't necessarily indicate a pre-1963 or 64 build date I don't think. What I think is a stronger clue is the fact that your van has inset/indented windows at the rear rather than just a flat back. The indented rear windows were introduced by manufacturers in about 1963, so that could indicate a 1964 or 1963 date for your van.
The other thing is the VIN plate on your van is probably not original. I'm not sure when VIN plates became required, but it would be after the vintage period. So that means that the plate was probably added when the van was re-registered at some point. The plate says 1964, but that may just mean that's what the owner thought was correct or about right when the van was re-registered.
Sorry nothing definitive there but maybe some things to add into the mix.
At some point in the next few weeks I will put up a post with some photos of various Wayfarers in the DHL section, and you'll see what I mean about the variations in window layouts.
One question for you - is the side cladding on your van aluminium? That's what it looks like. But I am wondering if it's been added after market? What do you see when you look inside the cupboards and benches - aluminium of plywood?
Don Ricardo
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pergs
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Post by pergs on Nov 8, 2014 11:19:38 GMT 10
Don,
thanks for the feedback.
As you say, the VIN plate is definitely not original and would have been added at some point while being re-registered.
The side cladding is aluminium, there is no plywood underneath.
Plan to spend time on the interior in the next few weeks, may find some dates scribbled inside cupboards etc to help with dating.
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Post by Don Ricardo on Nov 8, 2014 13:55:43 GMT 10
Hi Pergs, Thanks for that info - another piece to add to the Wayferer jigsaw puzzle. I think yours is the only Wayfarer I've seen with plain, unribbed cladding on the sides, so maybe it's been re-clad at some point. It will be excellent if you do find a date under or in something! So good luck with your search. Quite a few people have discovered a date. Don Ricardo
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pergs
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Post by pergs on Nov 8, 2014 21:48:04 GMT 10
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Post by Don Ricardo on Nov 9, 2014 14:57:34 GMT 10
G'day Pergs,
Great to see that you're having a good look around the forum seeking "Wayfarer truth", or at least something to help pin down the background to your van.
When I was looking for info that might assist us with your Wayfarer, I came across the post you pointed me to as well. I got all excited until I realised that it was actually an earlier photo taken of your van! I recognised it by the little dents in the door and the panel to the left of the door, the track along the roof line for the annexe, and the unusually shaped and finished wheel arches (and Sunraysia wheels), all of which are pretty unique features of your van. (Maybe you also realised all that, I'm not sure??)
Winterwood obviously saw your van somewhere about three years ago. Maybe it was owned by the person you bought it from at that stage?
Nevermind Pergs, the truth (ie the date and model name of your van) is out there somewhere. We just have to find it!
Don Ricardo
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Post by raym on Nov 15, 2014 21:23:19 GMT 10
Hi pergs and Cobber
When I cleaned out Dad's shed I found three or four one gross packets of one inch x 6 guage plain steel (not plated) counter sunk phillips head wood screws Netterfold brand. I can remember helping Dad on one Saturday and he ran out of the above size screws with slotted heads so he got out the phillips heads and from that point on the language wasn't good. I think the main problem was that he did not have a phillips head screw driver bit for his Yankee screw driver and he had to use a simple green handle Turner screw driver. I have often wondered why he had bought these packets of screws and never used them, perhaps Cobber you have hid the nail on the head and a salesman had given them to him as a sample. As I have said he did not have the correct equipment to use them and perhaps if the sales people had been a little smarter and given them a screwdriver bit the screws may have been more readily accepted earlier in the piece. By the way my father built Broadway Caravans from 1949 until 1962 so as a rough guess I think the packets would have been in his factory from 1958 and I still have them in my little museum with the story of the phillips head screw which I copied off the internet and if I remember correctly the phillips head screws were invented in the 1920s or 1930s and the car industry were the first to use them. Trusting this does not start another slot head virsus phillips head screw saga. raym
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Post by cobber on Nov 16, 2014 5:43:51 GMT 10
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Post by pergs on Jan 2, 2015 15:56:13 GMT 10
Don, Have spoken to the previous owner, and the photo winterwood posted was taken when he was having the drawbar extended. Previous to him owning it (4 years), he understands the previous owners had it for about 30 years. Started working on the interior with the intention of a coat of paint to brighten things up, but started poking around and found the rear corners full of rot. so bit the bullet and stripped out the rear end. Was hoping to take it out for the Australia Day weekend, but don't think I will make it by then. Wishing you all a happy 2015 Pergs
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Post by DC3Td on Jan 2, 2015 16:19:21 GMT 10
Well that`ll teach you to go sticking your 'knows' where you shouldn`t Pergs.Now you knows what a lot of us find when we go digging.Great to see you getting stuck into it & best you`ve done what you did & to the extent you`re going as this will make for a great reno.Peace of mind & satisfaction.
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Post by pergs on Jan 20, 2015 16:56:33 GMT 10
Rear end Timber replaced on the lower half and wall bottom supports, as I found walls not secured to subframe. Decided to move onto the front, as found same amount of damage. Currently working on removing all below the cupboard level.
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Post by pergs on Feb 2, 2015 19:14:32 GMT 10
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