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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 19:47:36 GMT 10
It has the same cutaway as JBJ's Lucelle. Although a much more conventional chassis. Nice van. Reddo Pres ...RSPBCA ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 20:00:38 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 20:07:27 GMT 10
Mark.. I tend to agree. Judys van appears a bit too "Flat in the face." needs to be a bit more "rounded" at the front. Still .. a unique piece of van history.... and its homemade from "gods gift to the caravaning world".... Reddo
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Post by Jennison on Mar 12, 2009 20:46:27 GMT 10
How big is the roof hatch? That may be a good pointer to whether it is a Jennison design plan or not!!?? regards.....
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Post by minicamper on Mar 13, 2009 5:48:15 GMT 10
Mark, I recall reading somewhere about a van design with that idea. Something to do with hilly areas and crossing fords? Maybe their driveway was very steep? There are a few places around near me, where people live chipped into the side of a hill, the're driveways go up at amazing angles and they need all the clearance they can get. I've also seen a bus like this. it was specifically modified becase it had a ferry crossing as part of its route and needed the overhang clearance to get on and off it... That or he buggered up the plans
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Post by shaneandsimoen on Mar 13, 2009 7:33:46 GMT 10
Mark,
as minicamper has said, the rear looks like it was made for exit angle when crossing water eg creeks or rivers.
Off road caravans have rears like that now, not the slopping floor inside.
Nice looking van that is pictured here.
Shane
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 9:20:09 GMT 10
From Judy:
Hi Mark
I guess I should have put a few question marks after the claim of Jennison Pathfinder. My only evidence is based on the fact that my father kept a Jennison Pathfinder sheet amongst the early documents relating to the caravan. And the van does look similar. But he always commented on the swept up rear of the van and how good it was going over bumps and dips and entry from driveway to road. I feel sure that he would not have kept this sheet if it was not relevant to the van's history. I have scanned the document and attached it.
There are two early receipts dated december 1956 and august 1957.
Judy
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Post by cobber on Mar 13, 2009 10:49:36 GMT 10
G'day Mark,
Judy's 'van is a bit different aye? Single skin construction and am I right in saying NONE of the windows look as though they open ?
At a rough stab in the dark guess I'd say it's loosely based on one of the South Australian "Clipper" caravans with a few modifications thrown in..... I say this only because of the little "step / cut away" where the front and back join the floor level.... this seems to be something only S.A. Clippers did.
Cobber.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 11:07:05 GMT 10
unbelievable .....by golly ;D ....I think you're right Cobber single skin construction would make for lightweight, but how could you have a caravan with non opening windows surely not Mark
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Post by firefighter on Mar 13, 2009 11:52:06 GMT 10
Jennison will be over the moon knowing there is a Jennison Pathfinder sheet around I Guess he will be sent one Judy,s statement But he always commented on the swept up rear of the van and how good it was going over bumps and dips and entry from driveway to road. do we know what the tow vehicle was ? perhaps Judys dad towed the van with a ute or truck & it sat higher at the front and with the cut away would not scrap going over the bumps dips etc f/f ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by cobber on Mar 13, 2009 12:23:06 GMT 10
Having another hard look at these windows I suppose there is a possibility that the front and rear windows might open... the entire plywood panel they are mounted in could be hinged at the top, but I reckon she'd be a bit tricky to seal around the edges to prevent water entry The fourth photo down is interesting to me too ... not having seen this “Clipper” type construction in the flesh it looks as though the rear panel, and the front one too I suppose, goes over the top of the cross rail and blends into the floor level.... not the way it's usually done..... know what I mean Cobber.
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Post by firefighter on Mar 13, 2009 21:08:46 GMT 10
Hey Cobber those windows seem to have you worried ......me think they might have been replaced the rubber looks to good to be from the 50,s...... frames might have been taken out .....rubber and new glass fitted in the hole were the frames were ...just another rough guess f/f ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by tinnie on Mar 14, 2009 0:18:33 GMT 10
Cobber, I think your observation is correct. I did a copy/paste and then blew the pics up. There appears to be something like a piano hinge across the top of the timber above both front and back windows. Also appears to be a line down the centre between each window at front and back. Actually, at the front it looks like a piece of timber down the middle between two large window 'frames'. One interior shots shows part of the fly screen in the van ceiling, this looks like a two piece, possibly hinting at a large 'Jennison' style roof hatch. I don't discount FF's suggestion of windows in the sides being replaced later, but perhaps with F&R opening windows and a large roof hatch, the side windows may have need fixed? bear in mind that until the very late sixties, many vans had a fixed rear window and small roof hatches...also once you fit an annex, the LHS windows are often useless in summer since the heat in an annex can be worse than in the van. I found over christmas that the huge roof hatch in my Ambassador was fantastic for letting heat escape in the early evening....and it has a fixed glass rear window. Sorry, enough said...I think I just re-wrote war and peace ;D Cheers, gristy
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Post by cobber on Mar 14, 2009 6:09:26 GMT 10
Thanks Gristy, Goes to show.. a copy and paste plus a blow up job beats a stab in the dark any day I think your rough guess could be right too neighbor Now...... where did Judy's dad get the plans from, Jennison or S.A. Clipper ? I reckon she's a “Clipper”......... at a rough guess . Cobber.
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Post by Jennison on Mar 15, 2009 19:06:31 GMT 10
You read my mind firefighter, Mark is there a chance a look at that jennison sheet?? regards..
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Post by sportsman 1 on Mar 16, 2009 7:45:32 GMT 10
The shot of the chassis at the rear shows it to be virtually identical to my Clipper.
The "steps" at the front and rear are also indicative of the S.A. Clippers.
My Clipper was custom built by Clipper to the specs of the owner and I have not yet seen another the same, even the brochures don't show my vans shape. Perhaps Clipper also supplied either kits or partly built or chassis only.
My guess is it was custom built to suit the requirements of the new owner from plans taken from a standard Clipper van and modified to suit, probably using a chassis supplied by Clipper.
Cheers, Leigh.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 14:54:39 GMT 10
herewith Jennison:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 12:24:17 GMT 10
the mystery surrounding the windows on this lovely old van has been solvered the front and rear windows open, the side windows are fixed... Mark
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