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Re: Tea towel rail
« Thread Started on Feb 15, 2011, 9:44am »

G'day Rod,

Interesting question...and one which leads to all sorts of options.

Does the one you're thinking of, look like this?...

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Dunno where you'd get these anymore. Probably on ebay, or garage sales, or Op Shops.

Then you can have this version. This one is from the 1970s, but the design is still readily available from kitchen storage outlets...

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But what you really want Rod, is one of these ingenious 1950s "Jiffy Holder" racks...

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Just push the marble up in the wire frame, and it will hold the weight of the tea towel...

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Flick the marble up with your finger, and the tea towel is released.

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Wanna have a go at making something retro? Sure! Get one of those clothes airers...

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...or get the heavy-gauge plastic-coated coat hangers...

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Both are a great source of plastic-coated wire, strong enough to carry the weight of tea towels. A bit of chop-chop, some timber ends, a few holes drilled, and you have a genuine Rodnet retro tea towel holder. A proud boast at many a Vintage gathering!

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #1 on Feb 15, 2011, 12:55pm »

G,Day Rod

I guess your would have check out our Technical section
if not this is the links

http://vintagecaravans.proboards.com/ind....lay&thread=5310

www.authenticlightingandhardware.com/index.html
In the cupboard hardware section

Challence hardware products section..... from its 1932 list caravan catch /curtain brackets rods etc etc etc

Challenge Hardware Products"

The "Challenge Products" trademark was started

around 1932 by the Ziviani family,

running under the name

"Austral Metal Pressing", Greenacre Sydney

In Red Hill, Brisbane, out of the old "Green's"
sandcast foundry building we manufacture
original
"Challenge Hardware Products" using
the original Heine presses and dies,
fly presses, thread tapping machines, jigs etc

of 1932.

some of the products are :- aladdin lamp ,
brass ball catch barrel bolts,
flush w/robe bolts,

single and double ball catch , machine oiler,
door stop,

picture hooks, curtain rod bracket , curtain-bracket
curtain rod holder curtain holder
castor wheels ,maltese crosses, light chain
curtain rod ends spear end curtain pole ends

chrome, brass and florentine push button catches

with coloured bakelite or metal buttons,

( caravan push catch ) old locks ball catches

keyhole esc. plates, curtain brackets and finials,
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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #2 on Feb 15, 2011, 1:29pm »

G'day Rod,

Such a simple request for such a simple item that some people put no value on, you wouldn't think it could become so complicated would you...... but Al has a habit of doing that and then...along comes Dave and F/F to try and short circuit the thread that has a long way to run yet....... there must be at least a dozen different tea towel rail designs.

Here are a couple more.
This one is a slight variation on Al's first one.... but could be just the one you want
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Then there is this one.... completely different.
It has a plastic ball under spring tension
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That holds the tea towel when it is slid up under the ball
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Hope this helps ::)

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #3 on Feb 15, 2011, 2:31pm »

G'Day Cobber

Did you knock off that commonwealth tea towel.....or was it a retirement present ? ? ?

Looks like you and I wasted our time with our posts..... Rod was only interested in olfart & franklin1 reply

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« Reply #4 on Feb 15, 2011, 6:58pm »

Dang! I was kinda hoping we'd get to see a Rodnet retro MkI tea towel holder! :-/

Took the easy way out, eh Rod?

Cobber, in one of your photos above, I notice the slot in the plastic ball holder screw is not exactly horizontal. Could you attend to that please? ::)

Here's the ol' 3-arm swivel towel holder. This one was salvaged from our garage fire a couple of years ago, so it's looking a bit worse for wear now...

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And of course, there's no point in having a retro towel rack without retro tea towels as well. They are available from various places, including this website, but check around because prices do vary...

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #5 on Feb 16, 2011, 9:36am »

In the 1960 Newcastle 'van it has this tea towel rail above the sink
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And this type of rail above each bed
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So it would be fair to say they are not tea towel rails................. but,

This is the rail above the sink in Don caravan # 559
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Does this show that Don caravans were just too snobbish to use an ordinary tea towel rail like everybody else had ?
(They also have the same type of rail over the bed)

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PS....F/F the tea towel and I became redundant at about the same time ::)

Al... that screw did look untidy aye ? I've fixed it :-[

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #6 on Feb 16, 2011, 11:45am »

Yeah...... I reckon he's just a big talker, probably spends more time with a tea towel in his mitt than the missus does.

I thought he was going to tell us about these two.

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #7 on Feb 16, 2011, 3:38pm »

G'day Dave,

Being a 59er we would expect it had slot headed screws so that's what Rod will use to fix it I assume ::)

Here's another style..... I wonder how many there are ?

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I'll take this one off and polish the brass mounting plates and align the screws when I replace it..... before Al notices the slots are vertical instead of horizontal..... or should they be as they are... in line with the grain of the wood

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #8 on Feb 16, 2011, 3:44pm »

Hi,
these are the tea towel rails in our Franklin - they're different again.
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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #9 on Feb 16, 2011, 4:17pm »

Always vertical aye,.....so the slot doesn't fill up with paint

What about if they are used on an horizontal surface eh ? eh ?

What about if they are used on polished timber.... should they then not line up with the grain of the timber ::)

Big thing when you look into it ::)

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #10 on Feb 16, 2011, 4:25pm »

Now look here, youse peoples! Stop trying to turn this thread into another ~~useless~~ useful topic such as screw slot alignment!

I'm not an expert about these screws. I was merely pointing out that one of our esteemed members had published a photo showing the slot slightly out of alignment. Even today, in barber shops in Bolivia, it was the only thing they could talk about. "Imagine!", they said, "cobber posted a photo on the WORLD-WIDE-WEB showing a screw slot in his van that was neither perfectly horizontal nor perfectly vertical!!"

As far as the correct practice for this sort of things goes, we shall have to wait for the next edition of "Old Cobber's Almanac" (or should that be "Cobber's Old Almanac"?) to get the correct answers.

I can only tell you that the van I'm ~~fed up with~~ working on has 10 screws around the porthole window frame. Each slot follows the circumference of the circle. How's that for attention to detail?? ::)

Does anybody know if reddo did any washing up and wiping up at Nelligen??

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #11 on Feb 16, 2011, 5:05pm »

Make one up from what ever or ...... cheat

Here's a cheats version ..... and a double at that

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #12 on Feb 16, 2011, 5:41pm »

Ref : Question by Franklin 1 in reply 22.....

" Does anybody know if REDDO did any washing and wiping up at Nelligen"......
I can honestly confirm that on the friday nite not only did Reddo wash AND wipe both his and my eating and cooking yootensils........ he also did all the cooking as well!!!!

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #13 on Feb 16, 2011, 5:56pm »

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I can only tell you that the van I'm fed up with working on has 10 screws around the porthole window frame. Each slot follows the circumference of the circle. How's that for attention to detail??

Al ! What a vision of beauty that would be ....it blows all the rules about the slots lining up this way or that out of the water.

It's another virtue of the slot headed screw....they are not just a "thing" to hold other things up.... they have a beauty of their own and I tend to think the slots should be lined up in what ever direction is pleasing to your eye.

The only rule that should be applied is............ you do not paint over slot headed screws... especially if they are brass...or stainless.....or nickel plated

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« Reply #14 on Feb 16, 2011, 6:30pm »

Hi,
maybe he means this sort of tea towel rail.
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« Reply #15 on Feb 16, 2011, 7:25pm »

Thanks Jeff,

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I can honestly confirm that on the friday nite not only did Reddo wash AND wipe both his and my eating and cooking yootensils........ he also did all the cooking as well!!!!

jenno

So, reddo...BUSTED!!

Here's a selection of tea towels that Trish might like to get you for FATHERS DAY!

It's a shame I couldn't find one that says "Screw Drying Up!!". Woulda fitted nice with the way this thread's going!!

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« Reply #16 on Feb 16, 2011, 9:43pm »

HI All
As I am a carpenter and Joiner, when I did my apprenticeship I was taught that slots in screws should follow the grain of the timber. Regardless whether the timber is horizontal or vertical. On hardware (metal items) slots should be vertical on vertical shapes and horizontal on horizontal shapes i.e the slots follow longest side of the hardware plate. Regarding round items e.g portholes the slots should follow around the circle.
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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #17 on Feb 18, 2011, 8:52am »

STRUTH ! IS THIS DUMB THREAD STILL RUNNING ?

But I see you have all strayed from the original subject.... and are even starting to wander away from the second subject that replaced the first subject.

To get back to the second subject.

Raym...

. we didn't expect anybody with actual knowledge of the subject to post on this thread..... but... as you have broken the rules and done so I thank you.
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Now Ray... if you could advise me what is the correct procedure to adopt in this example :-[

br]I have this rather primitive light and switch mounted on a vertical surface that consists of polished timber running horizontally.
I tend to think all screws slots should run horizontally but then that would break the rule about the slots being vertical on a vertical surface.

Woe is me.
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And getting back to the original point of this thread..... Tea towel rails.

While I have been waiting for the humidity to drop so I can do some serious spray painting I DID remove the tea towel rail I showed in reply #16 and polished the brass feet, and repainted the rail.
I found it had three different types of slot headed screws holding it up so I replaced them with four CS RH brass slot headed screws...... looks much better aye?

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« Reply #18 on Feb 18, 2011, 9:01am »

. we didn't expect anybody with actual knowledge of the subject to post on this thread..... but... as you have broken the rules and done so I thank you.
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Now Ray... if you could advise me what is the correct procedure to adopt in this example :-/

I have this rather primitive light and switch mounted on a vertical surface that consists of polished timber running horizontally.
From what you have said the screws on the light should be horizontal.... and those on the switch should be vertical even though the grain of the timber is horizontal...do you agree ?

Woe is me.

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so I replaced them with four CS RH brass slot headed screws...... looks much better aye?

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Rod..... let us know when the rail Dave so generously sent you arrives won't you..... and don't be afraid to ask if you need advice on it's installation :-/

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« Reply #19 on Feb 18, 2011, 9:03am »

Hey Cobber,if you were to use a couple of Phillips heads,you'd have enough slots to go both ways....so to speak.....

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #20 on Feb 18, 2011, 9:16am »

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If I were to use phillip heads it would just show that....... I don't care.

Slot heads are for those who care

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Feb 18, 2011, 9:16am, cobber wrote:

KAYBEE

If I were to use phillip heads it would just show that....... I don't care.

Slot heads are for those who care

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....right....so it's a maybe then?.......

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #22 on Feb 21, 2011, 9:14pm »

Hi All
If I was to install the light and light switch on Cobber's reply, I would put the slots of the screws to the light switch vertical [as per the photo] as it is a vertical rectangle. As for the light this is a horizontal rectangle therefore the slots would run horizontal. the grain of the timber does not come into consideration as these are hardware items. raym

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Re: Tea towel rail
« Reply #23 on Feb 22, 2011, 1:20pm »

Thanks Raym,

Your suggestion (seconded by Dave) has been implemented and I must say the improvement to the appearance of the installation is remarkable..... it really does matter

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